You are what you see.
I am thankful to the people who took time out to put in their thoughts in the blog, particularly those who are sober and those who genuinely likes to voice out their sentiment about certain issues, some are light, some are dark, some are outright malicious. Under the law, the right of a person is speak is not an absolute right, it has limitations that the person don’t slander another lest they the charged before the courts. Some of the bloggers are completely out of issue and would resort to slander just to be noticed, I suggest that we keep our discussion to a decent level and not go down to the level of the gutter, I’m sure those who are so used to living in the gutters will resist for they have gotten used to living like rats.
I have come to notice that some are accusing me blindly of being corrupt together with the evil one, I do not know what is their basis for saying so but discussion sake in this blog, let me share with you some of thoughts.
The black propaganda and demolition job on my person has been put to high gear since the first week of my appearance before the Senate, they have invented mountains of lies about me and my activities, they have harassed me in my forums with propaganda materials, armed goons, paid rallyist and mercenary journalists. I have repeatedly said that I am willing to face any accuser of any wrong doing in the courts of law, but why is it that the gov’t along with their mercenaries have not brought out any major scandal involving hundreds of millions or billions of pesos against me?
Kung totoong kasangkot ako sa mga malalaking korupsyon sa gobyerno sa mahigit kong dalawang taong pagkakaupo bilang presidente ng isang kumpanya ng gobyerno, eh bakit hanggang ngayon ay wala silang nilalabas na ganitong kaso para sirain ako? Bakit ang kanilang mga propaganda ay pawang gawa gawa lamang na ako ay namumulitika lamang? Bakit ang kanilang mga ebidensiya ay pawang personal na pagmumura lamang? Hindi ba kayo nagtataka?
Meron pa akong nakita na transcribed tapped conversations ko raw, halatang halata na kriminal talaga ang mga aktibidad ng mga taong gobyerno na gumagamit ng instrumento ng estado laban sa kanyang mamamayan, mga instrumento na dapat ay ginagamit laban sa mga kriminal ay ngayon ginagamit ng kriminal na gobyerno laban sa kanyang mamamayan. kung totoo yang sinasabi ninyong phone conversation ko yan, ipaamin ninyo sa mga taga gobyerno na gumawa nyan at magharap harap na tayo sa korte ng taong bayan, kaya nyo bang aminin yan?
I challenged those who are accusing me to bring me to the courts so I can confront you face to face and not hide in the anonymity of a blog, I will also challenged you to make sure that you bring the leadership of this government that I will name to give their side and testify under oath, I challenged you to commit to the Filipino people that your leaders will not hide under legal technicality such as an abused executive priveledge and be truthful in their answers to the Filipino Nation. I hope that my willingness to face the courts can also be reciprocated by those who are accusing me.
They said that the truth doesn’t come for free, I am paying a high price for it and I am willing to pay more as long as the complete picture of the truth be known to the Filipinos of how the leadership of this country is robbing its own people, robbing them of basic services, robbing the children of the love and guidance of their parents who are forced to leave to seek livelihood, and robbing many of them of their hope in their own race.
And to you dear bloggers, let me share a few lines from a book authored by Gary Zukav, I have recently read.
“Evil is an absence. It is not a presence. Evil is the absence of Love.”
“If you react self-righteously to evil, look inside yourself for the very thing that so agitates you, and you will find it there.”
“When you have an emotional reaction to evil-the absence of love-that absence is in you”
“Understanding this is very important because it enables you to personally contribute to the reduction of evil. You do that by changing yourself into the loving person that you would like others to be. Until you do so you will be part of the evil that so repulses you.”
And to those who sees nothing but malice and ill meaning without any basis, you are what you see!
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I suggest that we keep our discussion to a decent level and not go down to the level of the gutter, I’m sure those who are so used to living in the gutters will resist for they have gotten used to living like rats. - JUN LOZADA
CONVERSATION OF JOEY & JUN.
· Joey (allegedly, Joey de Venecia): Hey Jun.
· Jun (allegedly, Jun Lozada): Hey Joey.
· Joey: Jun, can you hear me?
· Jun: Yeah. Go ahead.
· Joey: Yeah, where do you put Chair (Abalos)? Ang formula ko doon is kuha ako ng points dun sa… sa… dun sa 130.
· Jun: Uh-huh…
· Joey: Di ba? Kasi saan ko pa kukunin di ba? (laughs) Itong mga gago… Kaya lang pare, we need to … we need to get some…all… at least from… something from Ben (Abalos), di ba?
· Jun: Yeah.. from both sides. P*tangina…
· Joey: ‘Tong si Ben, pare.. start from the thing.. Because he’s the gatekeeper of the votes. P*ta…. free ride… I can understand, but not that amount.
· Jun: Oh yeah. that’s too big, right. That’s too big.
· Joey: Pare, let’s develop a plan to talk to him.
· Jun: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So…
· Joey: And you know what he told me, between you and I. When we were in Hong Kong… in Shenzhen. Don’t quote me ha. Sabi niya kasi, marami akong… Tinanong ko bakit ba ang laki-laki? Singkwenta.. Sabi niya marami ako kelangang bigyan. Pati yung NEDA. He said the word NEDA ha. P*tangina. For your information pare.
· Jun: Information? I would understand that… He’d like to look at…
· Joey: Maybe, wait, maybe you can quote me and say, sabi ni Joey meron daw… sabi mo sa kanya may NEDA dun. (laughs) Di ba? He told me pare. (laughs)
· Jun: Sige, sige…
· Joey: P*tangina, kaya lang baka magwala na naman yung… (laughs)
· Jun: For some reason, I have this chemistry with him. Sabi ko Chair… In fact, sabi niya, Jun, ikaw na mag-referee bukas ha. Sabi niya, I want you to be there. Ikaw na mag-referee, ikaw na magsabi kung papaano. Sige po Sir, ako na ang mag-aano sa ano… (laughs)
· Joey: Well anyway, so that’s where I’m looking at right now. .. ought to get you.. And then, uh, think of a strategy for Ben, and if you need me to back you up, I’ll be there.
· Jun: Hey Joey, ok, regarding this Chinese embassy thing. I think I struck a motherload no? I’ll put them in Roxas Boulevard. P*tangina, di ba?
· Joey: In the Reclamation?
· Jun: No, p*tangina, that’s… that’s not prime. We’ll put them in the CCP complex.
· Joey: Yup, got it.
· Jun: P*tangina. That’s yeah, wala.. I can swing that goddamn agreement.
· Joey: You mean, owned by the Central Bank?
· Jun: Yeah! Can you imagine? P*tangina, same stature as the American embassy, better pa, di ba? The Japanese Embassy is in Roxas Boulevard. The American embassy is there. So p*ta, it’s just right that we put the Chinese embassy right in the midst of it all, di ba?
· Joey: Yes, yes, of course. They’re a player, that’s perfect.
· Jun: … don’t mention my name. I think he knows me well.
· Joey: Gaano kalaki, pare?
· Jun: P*tangina, as much as 15 hectares. (laughs)
· Joey: P*tangina. Tapos siguro kumuha rin tayo dun. Kaya lang we need Ben’s (?) finances.
· Jun: No, no, no, no. P*tangina. I cannot just tell you all the things that I’ve been asked to do. But that one I think, I can swing for ourselves.
· Joey: Ok I’ll talk to the guy…
· Jun: Talk to him right away.
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KINDLY RECONCILE YOUR STATEMENTS MR. JUN LOZADA!
Maniniwala ako syo kung isosoli mo rin ang mga milyon milyon ninakaw mo na inamin mo.
Gosh Rod ! Nakaka umay na yang cut and paste mo! Why not just cut and paste it 100 times in a row para baka magsawa ka na din diyan sa masterpiece mo! Then, maybe you can post something more logical. Pa ulit ulit ulit ulit ulit…Do you really think people still read that? OR! I have a suggestion just send everyone in this blog that damn tape that you have and are so obsessed about. Di kaya ikaw ang illegal wire tapper diyan? Got It Rod…Rod…Rod… Till your next wiretapped post…
http://www.gloria-arroyo.com/
Now, the above is Gloria’s webpage. May mga comments diyan, and as you dared us to give you a pro Gloria blog, let me see you post the Hello Garci conversations there…Aabangan ko kung singbilis din ng pag cut and paste mo dito..I DARE YOU! Matapang ka di ba….
ROD, TRABAHO LANG BA YAN WALANG PERSONALAN..
tama ka KA ELMO, trabaho mo lang yan para kay Jun Lozada kaya di ko naman ppersonalin, di naman ako magagalit kahit halatang bayaran ka ni JUN LOZADA eh, sabi mo nga walang personalan TRABAHO LANG. kung yan ang trabaho mo its up to you..
at anong pakialam ko KA ELMO kung nagsasawa ka sa CUT & PASTE KO, di naman siguro kita pinakikialamanan sa pagtatnggol mo kay JUN LOZADA..
THIS IS A BLOG, kung ikaw paulit ulit ang sinsabi mo para sakin ano rin naman ang pakialam ko syo.
AT HUWAG MO AKONG UTUSAN, GAGAWIN KO KUNG ANO ANG GUSTO KO, KAHIT SI GLORIA ARROYO NGA DI KO INIILAGAN BASTAT ALAM KONG AKOY NASA TAMA.
KUNG GUSTO MONG MAG POST DITO NG KUNG ANONG TUNGKOL KAY GLORIA GAWIN MO, WALANG PUMUPIGIL SYO, HINDI KA IMPORTANTE TAO SAKIN KA ELMO PARA SUNDIN KO ANG SINASABI MO. NAKUHA MO KA ELMO.
TILL YOUR NEXT STUPID COMMENT
TO KA ELMO,
LIKE GLORIA ‘HELLO GARCI’ ARROYO SAID (IM SORRY)..IM REALLY SORRY KA ELMO
THOSE STATEMENTS WERE INTENDED FOR BERNADETTE.
Wala akong kinakampihan sa BLOG na ito, kaya lang makikita naman natin na isa itong panlilinlang.
Nabasa nyo ang message sa itaas di ba? Napanood naman natin at nasubaybayan ang mga pangyayari.
Ano sa palagay nyo, totoo ba lahat ng sinabi ng may akda ng message?
Oh shoot, Jun Lozada! How paranoid can you get with your thinking that the people who write negative comments against you were just asked to do so? Do not insult our intelligence because we know who or what to believe and that does not include you. I am, for one, disgusted with the way you treat us posters who write comments you do not like. Shame on you for asking the people’s support when you yourself cannot accept criticism not even an honest opposing opinion. Wag kang matakot makabasa ng mga negatibo laban sa iyo. Kung totoo ka wag mong hamakin ang mga taong kaiba ang paniniwala at ayaw sa’yo!
Great post! Minsan hindi ko mapigilang kaawaan ang mga halata namang binayaran para magbatikos sa blog na ito. Wala na siguro silang makuhang disenteng hanapbuhay.
CVJ, ANG BILIS NGA NG REPLY EH PARANG NAGAABANG LANG TALAGA EH… SI ROD PARANG IIYAK NA SA PAGPAPALIWANAG WAG LANG MAHALATA.. PA STYLE PA YUNG TUMITIRA RIN KAY GLORIA… YANG MGA GANYAN ANG DAPAT PNATITIGIL.. WALA NAMANG MAPAPALA SA KANILA.. SIR JUN WAG NA WAG KANG TITIGIL HANGAT DI LUMALABAS ANG KATOTOHANAN… ITONG MGA ITO HINDI RIN TITIGIL HANGAT SUMUSWELDO.. KUNG SINO PA ANG MAY SUSI NG KATOTOHANAN SIYA PA ANG PAPATIGILIN.. BAKIT BA AYAW NYONG MALAMAN ANG KATOTOHANAN KUNG MAY ANOMALYA NGA SA ZTE DEAL NA YAN? ROD TAHAN NA HA…
I noticed na nakabantay si Rod. If you are really in the Middle East Rod, Jun posted this at around 12:58 noontime, wala pang 1 hour may response ka na. If at 1 to 2 pm here , di ba mga 11 to 12 noon yan sa M.E.? Di naman Friday , so hindi weekend diyan for you to be hanging by your computer na maglibang lang, you should be working at this time. Now, kung ganito ka kabilis mag respond, that means, ang trabaho mo is mag abang ng post ni Jun at ng ibang tao dito. If you’ll notice, magkasunod tayo nag comment, so I know how soon you were able to respond to Jun’s posting. Ako, di bayaran. It just so happens, that I have the liberty of being at home anytime. It’s so elementary. Ikaw ang bayaran. Trabaho ito para sayo.
Jun, were you really kidnapped? Or were you just overwhelmed by suspicions, fear and paranoia during that trip to the south, imagining that at any instant you may disappear into thin air.
After listening repeatedly to that taped conversation between you and Joey, many are wondering if you have ever considered your bosom friend to be crooked and corrupt?
Surely, as a child, Joey was not robbed of the love and guidance of his parents. His parents did not have to leave and work in a foreign land.
@Bernadette, bakit ka ba nangagalaiti sa post ni Rod tungkol sa conversation nila Lozada at Joey? Di ba ikaw rin ang nagsabi na ipost din ang Hello Garci conversation. Fair lang, di ba? Hindi kasi nasasagot ni Jun kung ang conversation na ito ay nangyari. Ang pagkaalam ako sa mga interviews sa kanya, siya na mismo ang umamin na boses niya ang naturang boses sa tape na yun. Kung tayo ay galit kay Gloria sa conversation niya kay Garci na wala rin namang katibayan na siya ay nagutos na mandaya ng eleksyon, di ba dapat tayo rin ay magalit sa taong ito na may pakay palang linlangin ang taong bayan na siya ay bayani. Bagkus, siya pala ay kasangkot sa mga kalokohan na ayosin ang mga kontrata na papabor sa kanyang kaibigang si Joey de Venecia.
@Bernadette, ang hinala ko, isa ka sa madre na palaging nakabuntot kay Jun Lozada na palaging nabibiyayahan ng matatamis na beso at yakap ni Jun. Kaya ganoon na lang pagtatanggol mo sa kanya.
@Kharry, you’re correct. If Jun was really kidnapped, his abductors would not have brought him into the santuary of the La Sallian brothers and the loving arms of the madres. He would have been killed like Dacer and Corbito. Huwag naman niyang gawin stupido ang mga pulis na inakusahan niyang kumidnap sa kanya.
“Evil is an absence. It is not a presence. Evil is the absence of Love.”
“If you react self-righteously to evil, look inside yourself for the very thing that so agitates you, and you will find it there.”
“When you have an emotional reaction to evil-the absence of love-that absence is in you”
“Understanding this is very important because it enables you to personally contribute to the reduction of evil. You do that by changing yourself into the loving person that you would like others to be. Until you do so you will be part of the evil that so repulses you.”
And to those who sees nothing but malice and ill meaning without any basis, you are what you see!
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Well said. True and sad. I have come to realize that I too am becoming accustomed to the ways of this evil world - to the point that that is all I see now. I have stopped going to church even though my late father always said that I should, I have stopped giving alms to the needy, I have stopped respecting, in the presence of evil surroundings - I have turned into a stone. Blind, deaf and cold. Kumbaga, hear no evil speak no evil see no evil.
The only thing that I wonder about is whether such a process of enculturation is reversible. If it is not then it is my soul that I am worried about. Lest I lose it.
I know you probably won’t answer this question among a hundred but I’ll take my chances:
1. Will you ever consider a political alliance with Among Ed or Bishop Cruz?
I see a new trend in Philippine politics that I could say that it is ground breaking. I have never seen it actually in practice but I must say - from my perception that Among Ed practices this nouveau politik so to speak. Just a thought.
Jun, talaga bang hindi kayo magkakakilala ni Joey de Venecia III? Sinabi mo na sa Senado na hindi mo siya kilala, di ba? At ang alam mo lang ay pabiro mong sinabi na kaugnayan mo lang sa kanya ay ang kanipisan ng inyong buhok. Bakit tila hindi ganito ang lumalabas habang pinakikinggan ang usapan niyo nila Joey sa tape na yun? Nagsinungaling ka ba sa Senado? Ano mo ba talaga si Joey? Ka-partner mo ba siya sa kontratang ito? Ano naman yung P200K/month na idedeposito niya sa iyong ATM? Sana masagot mo ito at sana ipalabas din yung tape na gaya ng ginawa ng mga senador sa Hello Garci tapes. Sana payagan si Manong Johnny na i-play ang tapes na ito sa Senado. Ako’y excited na marinig ang iyong paliwanag sa susunod na hearing sa Senado. Sana masagot mo ito ng totoo. Good luck, Jun.
Ayusin mo naman grammar mo, Mr. Ghost Writer.
Defensive talaga itong Ghost Writer na ito. As if we didn’t hear Jun say that he’s done some bad things in his time. Too bad our Ombudsman does nothing good.
As inclined as I am to believe Jun’s stories, they are not a reason to rally behind him. Jun is a symbol of nothing good. It’s all rhetoric, and seeing him with students around him is like watching a parasite suck the life out of its ignorant prey.
It is clearly understandable that the office of Sec. Bunye and his Under Secretaries should maintain a group of bloggers under the Malacanang payroll. I am not accusing anyone in particular. But it is easy to tell how these bloggers conduct their modus operandi.
1. They follow the same script that is repeated over and over again;
2. They try to confuse the issue by attacking the personalities involved questioning their
credibility;
3. They personally attack those who hold different opinion than theirs;
4. They tend to support each other;
5. They are fond of cut and paste posts, the longer the better;
6. They always avoid the main issue when confronted;
7. They are fond of asking for evidence;
8. They always come up with a suggestion of bringing the case to court;
9. They are fond of insulting the posters who contradict their opinion by trying to start a
verbal fight in the forum;
10. They keep repeating themselves.
11. Their marching order is to CREATE CHAOS INSTEAD OF ORDER IN THE FORUM.
These are just some of the signs to detect the bloggers who “GATE CRASH” into blogs like this.
WE JUST HAVE TO BE ALERT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO REACT TO THEM THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE. THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THEM IS SIMPLY TO IGNORE THEM WHEN THEY START TO ATTACK US BECAUSE IF WE ATTACK BACK, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR.
KINDLY RECONCILE YOUR STATEMENTS MR. JUN LOZADA!
Maniniwala ako syo kung isosoli mo rin ang mga milyon milyon ninakaw mo na inamin mo. - ROD
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Ang problema d’yan sa sinasabi mo ROD e nasa’n ang kaso convicting Lozada? Sa’n inamin ni Lozada at pa’no isosoli? Madaling magsalita pero hindi madaling magsalita ng may sense. tignan mo na lang ‘yang sinabi mo d’yan sa itaas, “Maniniwala ako s’yo kung isosoli mo…” Ano sense d’yan sa sentence na ‘yan? Parang salitang bata. Hindi ganyan ROD ang usapang matino. Kung me pruweba ka sa sinasabi mo ihain mo dito at tignan natin kung mayang gibain nuong mga kokontra o hinde.
KAHIT SI GLORIA ARROYO NGA DI KO INIILAGAN BASTAT ALAM KONG AKOY NASA TAMA. - ROD
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Hindi mo “inilagan” sa paanong paraan? Again, baka tama ka pero hindi natin malalaman ‘yan kung puro drawing ang sasabihin mo dito.
Ano sa palagay nyo, totoo ba lahat ng sinabi ng may akda ng message? - BUHAWI
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Ikaw, BUHAWI, ano sa palagay mo?
Oh shoot, Jun Lozada! How paranoid can you get with your thinking that the people who write negative comments against you were just asked to do so? Do not insult our intelligence because we know who or what to believe and that does not include you. I am, for one, disgusted with the way you treat us posters who write comments you do not like. Shame on you for asking the people’s support when you yourself cannot accept criticism not even an honest opposing opinion. Wag kang matakot makabasa ng mga negatibo laban sa iyo. Kung totoo ka wag mong hamakin ang mga taong kaiba ang paniniwala at ayaw sa’yo! - MIYAKA
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Specifically, MIYAKA, what is your complaint against Lozada? You may be right but we’ll never know it if you will not specify your complaint. You said Lozada cannot accept criticism but it is very clear that you are criticizing him in your post! Not only that, several people here have attacked and insulted Lozada which shows that you allegation are incorrect.
To all Jun Lozada critics ? ” If you cannot take it, just evaporate ” ? how simple is that. Ngayon kung talagang nanggagalaiti ka na sa galit at maihi-ihi na sa salawal sa kaaabang ng bagong post ni Jun, dahil yan ang ibinigay na trabaho sa’yo ng boss mo at may quota ka na 30 comments bawat post, then it’s time for you to kill your self.
ROD!!!!!
PAHIYA KA !!!!!!!!!BISTADO DITO SA BLOG NA BAYARAN KA,MAGKANO BA BUDGET NI MRS ARROYO AT MR ABALOS SA GRUPO NYO……..ang hirap na ng buhay no kaya pati moral nyo binenta nyo na…
Acute politicians and their cohorts know that they have to win the “war” in all fronts. Alam nila na delikado sila kung papabayaan na lumakas at dumami ang dissent sa cyberspace. Just the same as preventing the occurrence of a “tipping point” in realspace, ginagawa din nila ang preemptive strikes sa internet. Pero hindi nila alam napakarami pang serious bloggers ang merong independent views at binabasa ng napakarami sa internet.
Pero may galing din naman talaga ang mga operators at agents ni Gloria. They are doing what most surviving tyrants in the world do. But in fairness they do believe they are doing right… even if they are wrong. Really, this is just a matter of perspective and survival.
Fortunately, most internet users and bloggers are smart enough and educated enough to see through these tactics. Many and increasing number of Filipinos are getting internet savvy and they are being educated in many ways. Maybe sooner, or maybe later, the waves of cyber dissent will inundate and swamp those who want to suppress the truth and want to preserve the status quo.
BISTADO NA KAYO. NO AMOUNT OF MUDDLING WILL COVER UP YOUR DEEDS OR OF YOUR MASTERS. YOU WILL LOOSE IN THE END BECAUSE DEEP INSIDE, PEOPLE WANT CHANGE!
you are so right ABS. Iyan nga ang style nila, and they use the same words and lines over and over again. It’s like a call center, they have a script to follow. Now, if they can’t put the ideas into words, nagmumura na lang sila. Pati pagsalita nila, halatang hindi well educated. Lahat silang nasa payroll ni Bunye, including my friend the Pangalatok here. By the way, I have a politician friend, who says that during election and times of crisis, they maintain a staff of 2 to 3 people, paid by the day, who does nothing but stay on internet, radio, TV, and newspaper watch, so that they would immediately make a rebuttal. Normally, these people are minimum wage earners, and not on regular pay, hence the language. Taga ADMINISTRATION itong friend na ito, by the way. SO, from now on..IGNORE THEM! THEY DO NOT EXIST. They are just blogging prostitutes. They opine what they are being paid for. Bistado talaga si Rod. Di niya masagot kung bakit nasagot niya in 30 minutes ang post ni Jun,IF he really is an OFW in Saudi.
KhARRY :Jun, were you really kidnapped? Or were you just overwhelmed by suspicions, fear and paranoia during that trip to the south, imagining that at any instant you may disappear into thin air.
My friend. if YOU were taken for the ride of his life that Jun was subjected to. Going all the way to Laguna, aimlessly driving around, without a clear destination. The abductors, waiting for instructions, at every turn. Wouldn’t you be paranoid and fearful as well? UNLESS you are Lito Atienza himself…Welcome to the blog Sec!
Oh shoot Miyaka! He is just stating a fact! It’s so obvious that people are being paid to do this. can you refer to the above postings of ABS and myself? Well, if YOU are not being paid to do this, that’s fine. But DON’T insult our intelligence as well by denying that these blogging prostitutes don’t exist.
“…YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH..AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.” (John 8:32)
Lets continue in our quest for Truth!
GOD BLESS THE PHILIPPINES!!
Below, are some of the anomalies that the government of Gloria has bestowed to the Filipino people.
IMPSA Deal - Nani Perez is now being charged on this, brought about by lover’s quarrel.
Macapagal Blvd. - I have not much knowledge on this , except that it the most expensive boulevard.
Fertilizer Scam - Joc Joc BOLANTE, what else can we say about this. FOOD CRISIS is the end result.
OWWA Funds - Diverted gunds for electioneering. Like the GMA streetsweepers in the provinces. with Blue T-Shirts.
PhilHealth Cards - Diverted Funds.
NorthRail Anomaly - To be investigated by the Senate. When? I have no idea..
SouthRail Anomaly - As above
NBN-ZTE Scam - Awaiting JdV’s return and Neri’s coming out party. Really hoping they tell the truth.
CyberEd Scam - I have not much knowledge about this.
Hello Garci Scandal - Iam sorry , lapse in judgment episode.
2004 Presidential Elections - Tainted results.
2007 Midterm Elections - tainted results. KOKO P. may benefit from this afetr all. Cha-cha anyone?
Bribery of Local Officials - Usually Php500,000.00 each.
Bribery of Church Officials - This one got bigger. Php3,000,000.00 - 8,000.000.00. I would think the top guy is priced at Php10,000,000.00 plus Spokesperson for the relative.
Extra-judicial Killings - Plenty of this.
Enforced Disappearances - Jonas BURGOS & others, I pray that you are still alive and with us. Ces Drilon and her crew may have been victims of this as well, just a thought. Axe to grind by Esperon on Ces (peninsula????)
Immoderate Greed - Greedy group of GMA, FG, ABALOS, nad I would hate to think NERI as well.
Treason - GMA , FG, ABALOS. Sell out to China?
Cronyism - This abound.
Obstruction of Justice - Botched kidnapping of Jun LOZADA upon arrival from Hong Kong. Disallows people to be heard and give free and truthful testimony in Senate investigations.
Spratlys Deal - Sold Out to china . TREASON!
Venable Contract - Lobbyist to have GNA invited in the White House for Stae Visit. paid off.
PSC Horse Importation - Mikey Arroyo’s racket?
Just thought of reminding the citizenry of some of the anomalies of Gloria’s legacy to the Filipino People.
Cheers!
Uy may bago… na touch ako dun sa part na ito “Evil is an absence. It is not a presence. Evil is the absence of Love.” Naisip ko tuloy na Corruption is both absence and presence of love. Absence of love of country and presence of too much love for money. kaya ngayun may Jun Lozada na gumagawa ng blog againts sa kanyang mga former comrades sa gobyerno, dahil sa TOO much love for money ayun wala gusto magpa lamang.
Bernadette, you practically answered for Jun on that question of the kidnapping. You are so right, Jun’s connection was his boss, Lito Atienza. When the security arranged by Lito didn’t know where to take Jun and were driving around to wait for further instructions from “someone”, Jun panicked; he began to have doubts on the security provided by Lito so he called up his relatives to alert his “other connections”.
When Jun was finally escorted to La Salle, he can not tell the people that he was all the while under the protective custody of Lito. He had to change the story into something else – kidnapping? After he decided to change his story, there is no turning back. His new allies will not allow him to backtrack.
This also demonstrated what fear can do to a guilty man. If Jun was not guilty, he had nothing to dread; no harm nor death can come to him and he will still be a free man now. But, he was mired up to his neck in corruption; finding himself caught in a political quagmire he had to push down everybody in order to save and free himself.
Call this a wisp of sheer fantasy or imagination, but I think it can be the closest to the truth.
wait lang ha, bakit itong bagong blog entry dito eh sounds like YUKO, JONAS and KA ELMO combined… pansinin nyo lang…
(quoted from bernadette:)
I noticed na nakabantay si Rod. If you are really in the Middle East Rod, Jun posted this at around 12:58 noontime, wala pang 1 hour may response ka na. If at 1 to 2 pm here , di ba mga 11 to 12 noon yan sa M.E.?
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Wait lang uli, pano nalalaman ung oras nang pag post? ang lumalabas kasi sa computer na gamit ko araw lang… unless moderator ka saka mo lang makikita ung oras ng nag post. un ang aking pag kakaintindi. cenxa na po farmer lang nakaka pag internet lang ako pag nag luluwas kami ng gulay dito sa metro manila.
To Dennis,
I just want to contradict your statement above. I accidentally bumped into this blog a few weeks back and I thought Jonas would be interested to get involved. I do not know Jonas personally but I have been interacting with him in several fora for more than two years now. I know that he is a level headed guy if you show respect to his opinions and you stay on the level of the issues.
We have had strong disagreements on issues in the past but we always respected each other and when we could not arrive at a compromise we always AGREE TO DISAGREE MAINTAINING OUR MUTUAL RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER.
The other side of Jonas is HE CAN BE YOUR WORST ENEMY. If you hit below the belt by hurling INSULTS THAT ARE UNCALLED FOR, YOU WILL GET THEM BACK A HUNDREDFOLD. I can see however what YUKO, JONAS AND KA ELMO, INCLUDING BERNADETTE AND REST OF THE GUYS HERE HAVE IN COMMON, THAT INCLUDES MYSELF, WE ALL WANT TO GIVE A CHANCE FOR THE TRUTH TO COME OUT.
IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE TRUTH COMES OUT THROUGH, JOEY, JUN LOZADA, JDV, BEN ABALOS, JOCJOC BOLANTE, GARCILLANO, ESPERON, OR EVEN ROMY NERI. THE PERSON IS IMMATERIAL TO THE ISSUE, WHICH IS OUR QUEST FOR THE TRUTH. CHAVIT SINGSON IS A WELL KNOWN DIRTY POLITICIAN, ONE OF THE MOST CORRUPT IN HIS PROVINCE, A JUETENG LORD HIMSELF, BUT SINCE HE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN BRINGING OUT THE TRUTH, HIS BEING A MEMBER OF THE JUETENG MAFIOSI, DID NOT MATERIALLY AFFECT THE RESULT OF THE INVESTIGATIONS.
I DON’T REMEMBER ANY MASSIVE ATTEMPT IN DESTROYING THE CREDIBILITY OF CHAVIT THROUGH AN ORGANIZED AND WELL ORCHESTRATED ATTEMPT BY EITHER THE ADMINISTRATION OR THE OPPOSITION. THE POINT IS CHAVIT WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN EXPOSING THE TRUTH AND THAT IS WHAT COUNTS THE MOST!
Jun, talaga bang hindi kayo magkakakilala ni Joey de Venecia III? Sinabi mo na sa Senado na hindi mo siya kilala, di ba? At ang alam mo lang ay pabiro mong sinabi na kaugnayan mo lang sa kanya ay ang kanipisan ng inyong buhok. Bakit tila hindi ganito ang lumalabas habang pinakikinggan ang usapan niyo nila Joey sa tape na yun? Nagsinungaling ka ba sa Senado? Ano mo ba talaga si Joey? Ka-partner mo ba siya sa kontratang ito? Ano naman yung P200K/month na idedeposito niya sa iyong ATM? Sana masagot mo ito at sana ipalabas din yung tape na gaya ng ginawa ng mga senador sa Hello Garci tapes. Sana payagan si Manong Johnny na i-play ang tapes na ito sa Senado. Ako’y excited na marinig ang iyong paliwanag sa susunod na hearing sa Senado. Sana masagot mo ito ng totoo. Good luck, Jun.
- Mga galamay ni Jun na tulad ni Sis. Bernadette, na moderator ng blog na ito, pakisagot nga ito. O, di niyo masagot kasi ang katotohanan na nagsisinungaling ang idol niyo.
Man catches wife, lover in wild sex
By: Melnie Ragasa-Jimena
RODOLFO Almandres, 39, died for allegedly violating the tenth commandment. He coveted another man’s wife and had wild sex with her right inside her conjugal house in Quezon City. As his married girlfriend rode him like a horse — and gripped his private parts to mind-blowing sensations — a knife pierced his chest, sending him to emit blood and other bodily fluids all over the living room.
Almandres, taxi driver, of St. Anthony III, Bgy. Inarawan, Antipolo City, was allegedly stabbed dead by his supposed girlfriend’s husband, Leonardo Villamil, cabbie, of 73 Acasia St., San Roque II, Bgy. Pag-asa.
Investigation showed that Villamil arrived home at 4 p.m. Wednesday and heard his wife and the victim chatting in the living room.
Villamil, who proceeded to bedroom, was surprised that his wife kept on checking if he was asleep. She would enter the room, then go out of the living room again to supposedly talk with Almandres.
Curios, the suspect peeped and saw his wife naked, on top of the victim and reportedly masturbating him passionately. Enraged, Villamil knifed Almandres in the chest. The victim was rushed to the East Avenue Medical Center, but to no avail.
—- ito mas magandang iblog ni Lozada na mahilig sa chicks.
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The truth is not hidden But are the people willing to see it?
The truth rings a bell
But are the people willing to hear it?
The truth is an open book
But are the people willing to read it?
The truth hurts
But are the people willing to feel it?
The truth will out
But are the people willing to act on it?
The truth is a dirty lie
But are the people willing to wash their hands of it?
The truth is in song, a sigh, or the slip of a tongue
It speaks through a child, a cannon, or a speech in a campaign
The truth is a candle lit, a light turned on, and a document discovered
It comes out of the shadows, encourages the heart, and frees the spirit
The truth cannot be denied, debated, or dashed on the rocks of disaster
It is in the sun rising, the moon setting, and the tides turning
The truth is ever present, available, and obvious
It is not hidden
GOD BLESS THE FILIPINO PEOPLE!
CONTINUE TO CARRY ON THE TORCH OF TRUTH!!!
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So, as you can see, I am NOT the moderator. It’s just that I read everything carefully. And ABS is right , it really doesn’t matter who the bearer of truth is, kaya lang naman ako sobrang kampi kay Jun, kasi, sobra niyong sinisira at ina api. This didn’t happen with Chavit, because you people were afraid of him. And your dear benefactor, GMA, was the one who benefitted from Chavit’s expose.
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Ur comment :
Wait lang uli, pano nalalaman ung oras nang pag post? ang lumalabas kasi sa computer na gamit ko araw lang… unless moderator ka saka mo lang makikita ung oras ng nag post. un ang aking pag kakaintindi. cenxa na po farmer lang nakaka pag internet lang ako pag nag luluwas kami ng gulay dito sa metro manila.
P>S> Pwede mo ba ako supply an ng gulay? Organic ba yan?
KHARRY Wrote :
This also demonstrated what fear can do to a guilty man. If Jun was not guilty, he had nothing to dread; no harm nor death can come to him and he will still be a free man now. But, he was mired up to his neck in corruption; finding himself caught in a political quagmire he had to push down everybody in order to save and free himself.
Call this a wisp of sheer fantasy or imagination, but I think it can be the closest to the truth.
Now, THIS is FANTASY! In the PHILIPPINES? If you are not guilty, there’s nothing to be afraid of? Are you here with us now? Do you know how many innocent persons are in jail? Do you know how many people have diasappeared under Gloria’s regime? All because they are bearers of TRUTH? Kaya nga may kaso ang presidente mo sa International Court of Justice? At kaya din niya pinipilit na makapasok doon si Mirriam tililing? Asan ka ba? at AKO, MADRE???? hihihihihihi…..Siguro sa fantasy nga minsan…hihihihi…
BERNADETH, JONAS, ROD, ELMO MAKINIG!!! KAYO!!!
Sa panahon ngayon, marahil ay alam na ng nakararami na ang sitwasyon ng ating pulitika ay pilit na binabagabag ng mga taong mapagsamantala. Ang mga taong ito ay tinatawag natin na mga oportunista at “power grabbers”. Karamihan sa kanila ay nasa oposisyon, pulitika, at mga grupong patuloy na lumalaban sa gobyerno. Datapwat ang bawat grupo ay may kani-kaniyang pansariling adhikain, hindi magtatagal at magsasanib sila ng pwersa upang mapatalsik ang nakaupo. Ito ay dahil na rin sa mga nakaraang mga pagkilos at pagtatangka sa kapangyarihan na nawalan ng saysay dahil nanatiling matatag ang gobyerno.
Sa mga darating na panahon, lalo na sa muling pagbubukas ng klase, inaasahang susubukan na naman ng mga kalaban ng gobyerno ang malawakang pag-aalsa sa pamamagitan ng paggamit sa mga kabataan. Kapansin-pansing ginamit ang mga kabataan sa mga nakaraang Interfaith Rallies at ito ay pipilitin mangyari ulit ng mga “destabilizers”.
Paalala lang sa mga magulang… ang lugar ng mga kabataan ay ang eskwelahan, hindi ang kalye. Huwag nating hayaang gamitin ang ating mga anak para lang sa pangsariling ambisyon ng mga hayok sa kapangyarihan. Ang mga kabataan ay may karapatang maging ligtas. Kibit-balikat lang ang ating maaasahan kapag may nangyaring masama sa ating mga anak sa oras na sila ay makilahok sa mga protesta. Bantayan natin ang kabataan, ang ating mga anak, lalo na yaong mga pumapasok sa kolehiyo dahil sila ang madaling makumbinsing umanib sa mga samahan ng mga aktibista. Mapanlinlang ang mga nanggagamit kaya’t alamin ang kinabibilangan ng ating mga anak. Ang paggamit sa mga kabataan upang maisakatuparan ang pansariling ambisyon ng ilang pulitiko at personalidad ay palaging nakaamba. Ang mga taong ito ay mapanlinlang, nagsasama-sama at nag-aabang na parang mga bwitre na gumagawa ng mga isyung hindi mapapatunayan.
Kailangang din alalahanin na ang mga komunista ay kasalukuyang gumagamit din ng mga kabataan para palawakin ang komunismo. Ang mga kabataang nakikita natin sa mga kilos-protesta ay mga kabataang napagsamantalahan ang pag-iisip. Dahil dito, nawawala na sa prioridad nila ang kanilang sariling kinabukasan sanhi sa impluwensya ng mga kalaban ng gobyerno. Hindi malayong mapa-anib din sa komunismo ang mga kabataang sumasama at aktibo sa mga kilos-protesta. Huwag nating hayaang mangyari sa ating mga anak ang nangyari kay Jonas Burgos, kung saan walang kamuang-muang ang kanyang magulang na miyembro na pala ng siya NPA. Huwag nating hayaang maulit muli ang nangyari kina Sherlyn Cadapan at Karen Empeño, na napahamak dahil nalinlang sila ng mga makakaliwa na maki-anib sa komunismo. Iwasan na natin ang mga pagkakataong tulad nang kina Ma. Luisa Posa Dominado at Nilo Arado, na nakikitang kasa-kasama ng mga NPA sa bundok ng Antique at Iloilo. Ang mga kabataang ito ay may maganda sanang mga kinabukasan.
Kaya mga magulang, marapat lang na bantayan natin ang ating mga anak. Huwag natin silang hayaang magamit ng mga pulitiko at mga personalidad na may mga makasariling adhikain. Huwag din natin hayaang maglaho ang kanilang magandang kinabukasan ng dahil lang sa mga komunista na salot ng lipunan! Ito ay isang paalala.. huwag nating pabayaan ang kabataan na pag-asa ng bayan…
Your blog speaks only of your pathetic call for public support. You are insulting the intellect of the Filipino people who knows the difference between fabricated stories and authentic ones. You claim that young children selling Ilang-ilang recognized you and consider you as the nation’s savior? What do these kids know about the nation’s problem that you are a part of? Who in the world would believe that kids will tell you upfront “Sir Jun, kami nga po ang magpapasalamat sayo dahil sa pakikipaglaban niyo para sa amin, huwag po sana kayong manghina marami kaming umaasa sa inyo”? Perhaps a better script should have been chosen for that! In your tell-tales, the only realistic part that for us to believe is about your security escorts who accompany you wherever you go. Security escorts and field trips in your favor that drain government funds that should better be used for worthy cause. Talk about the P2M tax money that was spent for your wretched cause! Buti ka pa nakaka-gala kung saan-saang lugar at nakakakain ka pa ng libre sa Max’s, samantalang kaming mga ordinaryong tao eh, masaya na sa karenderya! What you are spending is government money that should better be spend for other necessities such as books and school supplies for public elementary schools in poor communities. At saka kung naantig ang puso mo doon sa mga bata, pinakain mo na din sana sila sa Max’s… Now, you are telling us that children are being deprived of education and nutrition. Then, why did you not started off with those children in simple ways? You have also insulted millions of Filipino parents by stating that children are being deprived of care by their parents. You should watch your words since most of the net readers that came across your blog responsible parents. And now for the most pitiable call for a protest action: “Magmula sa Hunyo 13, Biyernes alas 5 ng hapon hanggang alas 6 ng gabi at bawat biyernes parehong oras na mga susunod pa, tayo ay makiisa o magsimula ng walkout sa ating mga eskwelahan o mga opisina o mga negosyo upang makiisa sa mga taong kumikilos…” A piece of advice for you Jun Lozada, Nobody from hell would join you in this kind of crusade when every Filipino has some more important and productive thing to do. Your call is irrelevant and nobody will waste their time joining your cause. Perhaps it will be more realistic if you will advertise that you are in need of rally-for-hire mob. As such, you may attain temporary supporters…
I’ve been lurking for quite a while now, and while I’m not exactly the biggest fan of Mr. Lozada, I have a couple of suggestions for the perennial people who comment:
1) Get a blog. In case you don’t know, this is Lozada’s site. If you like to pepper Jun Lozada’s blog with so many insults, you can go ahead and do so on your own blog site. You’re wasting a lot of time spamming Lozada’s blog with so many of your (cough) thoughts that maybe you would be better off writing your (cough) very insightful commentaries on a blog of your own. If Jun Lozada can do it, so can you.
2) Get a life. As it seems, at least some of you are spending a good chunk of your lives (and your working hours) lurking about Jun Lozada’s blog. Take a walk in the park. Go to a mall. Eat something. I have the feeling that at least one of you have developed a fetishistic obsession with commenting here.
3) Relax. Some of you sound off like you were born with wedgies.
seems to me na naubusan na ng masasabi ang mga galit kay jun lozada, kaya paulit-ulit na lang sila.
GILBERT CASIO, napakarami mong sinabi subalit walang malinaw na detalye akong nakita. Bawasan mo ang kape kaibigan.
My question on the kidnapping was initially addressed to Jun Lozada but since Bernadette interceded in behalf of Jun, I gladly presented my funny but hard-to-believe conjecture.
To me the event was hardly a case of kidnapping because Jun and his “kidnappers” admittedly enjoyed a sumptuous dinner at the Outback before heading for La Salle and this was all together with a lawyer who footed the bill that ran into thousands of pesos. Or, was that Jun’s “last supper” before the actual kidnapping commenced?
It is only Jun and his kidnappers that really know what transpired. The rest of the people can only guess.
Bernadette, let us try to be civil to each other. I have never address you as anybody else so please do not associate me with somebody else.
To me the event was hardly a case of kidnapping because Jun and his “kidnappers” admittedly enjoyed a sumptuous dinner at the Outback before heading for La Salle and this was all together with a lawyer who footed the bill that ran into thousands of pesos. - kharry
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But that was after the fact. Jun’s ‘kidnappers’ admitted the dinner after they were questioned in the Senate. They did not announce to all and sundry that they were going to have dinner with Jun at the time they are holding him away from everybody.
To Gilbert Casio,
I agree with you that we should not allow the communists to take over the running of the affairs of the Philippine Government. I would however suggest that we refrain branding all those who criticize the government as communists.
Some people might spouse communistic ideologies but that does’nt make them communists per se. That only shows that in many respects the teachings of Communism benefit the common people more than Capitalism does.
What we should do is teach the youth as to the benefits of both the Communist Ideology combined with the benefits of Capitalism. Communist CHina has now come to realize that there is something positive that Capitalism brings to boost the economy.
Communism teaches that everything is owned by the STATE that basically eliminates the acquisition of private property. If the State takes care of all the needs of their citizens then this becomes an ideal society. This is what Communism espouses, every citizen is equal before the law. No one is above the law. In this sense Communism has something positive to protect the interest of every citizen especially the poor.
I would also suggest to stop labelling those who expose the anomalies in the government as DESTABILIZERS, for IF THERE IS ANY DESTABILIZER, TO MY MIND, IT IS THE PERSON WHO IS THE MAIN SOURCE OF ALL THESE CHAOS, WHO REMAINS TO BE THE WORST DESTABILIZER OF US ALL.
Kharry :
I do agree with Jonas, the dinner was after the fact. Jun was taken from upon disembarkation from the aircraft, CX919, and led to the departure area, with sidetrip to Dignitaries’ Lounge, then took the lift down to the tarmac. Media was outside the dignitaries’ lunge, albeit, arival hall. Then atekn for a ride through Villamor Airbase, onwards to Calamba. Jun has testified that he addressed Mascarinas as GEORGE, the only time that he got his name correct was at the Outback Restaurant. Evidently, he does not know him at all. NOT even Ret. Gen. Atutubo nor the other staff who took him at the airport.
Why then did it take for pressure in the media to finally take Jun to his family, waiting in La Salle. some dd hours after his arrival at 1636hrs of Feb 05? Whilst he was brought to La Salle to be with his family, the people who abducted, led by Mascarinas, were with them all the time, thereby rendering limited freedom if any at all. Its like, placing them under house arrest. He was even taken to the Office of the Malacanang Lawyer the very next day, with Mascarinas.
IMPORTANT point on this BOTCHED KIDNAPPING : Jun’s family was at the airport to meet him, and take him to his home. The people who abducted him were informed by Jun himself that his family is at the airport. Why were they NOT notified that Jun has been taken by government reps? Had they done so, perhaps, the family would have contacted the media, including Senate President Manny Villar, and sought assistance from them to produce Jun.
Lest I forget, the government, the government said : ” I am Sorry…. It was a lapse in Judgement…” This is the all to familiar line of the government when their operation has ran afoul and the public has gotten wind of the fauxpass.
The above theory makes sense, and the government’s expalnation is illogical, especially so, if Razon keeps on committing errors in his statement to the public. Need I refresh your memory on what Razon has stated?
Judgement : KIDNAPPED. Albeit failed. Note : NO IMMIGRATION arrival stamp on his passport when they returned this after weeks of safekeeping by the abductors. No Immigration stamp, would lead you to conclude, that he NEVER arrived back in the Philippines, and he could have been executed and his body dumped in the fields and used as fertilizer, perhaps for future use when JocJoc finally gives his statement, that the missing fertilizer has been used. They could get the soil sample from where they dumped Jun’s body.
Just a theory, and perhaps a more credible explanation of that incident.
You are correct though in letting Bernadeth know that you never indicated that she is a Madre. I browsed through the comments, I think she should have addressed the Madre to PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO.
Correction :
Why were they NOT notified that Jun has been taken by government reps? Had they done so, perhaps, the family would NOT have contacted the media, including Senate President Manny Villar, and sought assistance from them to produce Jun.
Providing security for Jlo could have been extended to him by no less than Lito Atienza himself. He could have sent his own personal bodyguards with clearance from Malacanang or perhaps having the military or PNP serving as escorts out of the airport through a backdoor.
The key to Jlo’s suspicion of his abduction is he did not know anyone among his abductors. I doubt if they were wearing IDs or Badges that would identify them as lawful representatives of the government.
I think that Lito Atienza did not want to have anything to do with Jlo’s disappearance in case he met the fate of Jonas Burgos.
JACK ASROCK_ALASKA (Alaskan King Crabs anyone?) :
Your comments on tax payers money used.
Php 2 Million : The AMRSP, nuns securing the Jun and other whistleblowers, has requested for the breakdown of the cost from the Senate. They have NOT provided this, otherwise, we would have seen this in the newspaper.
The Security detaisl, whether securing Jun or NOT are paid with regular salary by the Senate. Their food is shouldered by the SANCTUARY FUND, which is being used for this trips. Therefore, IT IS NOT TAXPAYERS money that is being used at all. Note ; Since the details have to paid their regular salary anyway, they are simply getting paid for the the job they are supposed to be doing.
I am not defending JUN at all, but merely stating the facts, As is with my comments for Kharry.
JACKASSROCK: Did you read the posting before commenting? You stated :
At saka kung naantig ang puso mo doon sa mga bata, pinakain mo na din sana sila sa Max’s…
JUN HAS POSTED : (You could find this on the 4th Paragraph, STORIES OF ORDINARY FILIPINOS….)
I was lost for words for a moment and I motioned them to come closer and gave each one a rub on their head and hug them close together, as I recovered my wits I asked one of the Sisters to take a picture of me together with the children, and I promised the children that should I come out of this personal crisis in one piece I will surely come back to Luisita and treat them for a nice supper in Max’s restaurant.
From above, Jun has promised the kids of a nice supper at Max’s. Perhaps he was unable to treat them at that instance, due to limited funds and time.
You mentioned about “Kabataaan” should be in schools. They and their parents are smart enough to know what should be done with this call for Walkouts and Noise Barrage. DO NOT INSULT them oftheir intelligence.
Also, DO NOT genralize that FILIPINOS can be BOUGHT as RALLY FOR HIRE. perhaps you are doing this, but absolutely not me, NOR the majority of the Filipinos!
Correction : it should have read : JACK ASROCK, iso JACKASSROCK. Apologies. Ken.
ABS, yet again, I must agree. Lito ATIENZA, should have extended the security detail, and have assigned those known to JUN. Jun’s office is under the DENR, therefore, they have known similar security personnel from the DENR.
It appears that Lito is covering his hyde, with the notion that what was being asked of him by the Powers That Be is NOT plausible and therefore would be blown out of proportion, which it did.
It was like the situation was brought down to their laps, for Lito, Razon and Atutubo.
Correct me If I am wrong, but didn’t the Senate also surmiced that the Government Agents were from THE PRESIDENTIAL SECURITY GROUP (PSG) tasked to secure the President and her family? I do not think JUN is a member of the presidential family…. Wow! That is nice….
I am glad that we have finally gone to the level of discussing the REAL ISSUES. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OTHERS WHO HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW. Let us bang our heads on what could have happened, most of which JLO has already related himself. I would like to hear from those who hold other views to present arguments WHY THEY SAY HE IS LYING.
Jun called up his boss to announce his return from HK and Lito allegedly agree to arrange for his protection and safety from the Senate authorities.
IF, the mission order was to protect Jun. The security escorts only takes orders from the authority that ordered the mission.
We must understand that when an individual requested and submits himself to ‘Protective Custody’, he is never in ‘control’ . It is the security agents that decide his fate.
The same is true for the President of the Philippines when under the protection of security escorts, it is the security agents and not the President that decide the best security measures to protect the head of state.
No security forces want to end up with a ‘dead’ President like what happened to Benazir Bhutto in full view of thousands of Pakistanis including the MEDIA.
Not recognizing any of the security agents, Jun might have panicked and called his relatives to alert his “other connections” possibly because he was ready to flip to the other side.
He was allowed free use of his mobile phone since his exit from NAIA until his return to La Salle.
He was not blindfolded so that the kidanppers can not be identified later.
He was not physically hurt or threatened.
He was not immediately brought to a “safehouse”, therefore no indication of premeditation.
Whether it is before or after the fact makes no difference, Jun was treated to a generous meal in a restaurant not known to be in an isolated locality and possibly in front of many other diners.
If Jun was really kidnapped, he should also charge that lawyer as accessory to his kidnapping.
It is only in this country that we see such generous and confident kidnappers.
Kharry : I believe that the lawyer is included in the charge sheet, I need to reconfirm this though.
The dinner was arranged, when the abductors decided to bring Jun back to civilization. Palace was able to get hold of Lawyer (neri’s lawyer) wyho was having dinner at Outback around that time.
Since the abductors have NO immediate instructions, Jun was able to use his cellphone. Then sensing that he is communicating well and their location, the abdictors informed and ordered Jun to STOP using the Cellphone, since it is being detected anyways. Perhaps, they noticed that Jun was able to text their location to relatives, hence the order to stop using the CP. From experience, it is hard for ordinary people to tap the cellphone, landlines are easier. But with proper tech gadget, it could be done easily. These gadgets are with the State (ISAFP, MIG 17). This gadget was a gift from the United States Government for use in Anti Terrorism and other high profile cases. Not for use to spy on the citizenry. It was like the movie, Enemy of the State.
I respect your conviction on this, however, I believe that it was a Botched Kidnapping. As mentioned, Government personnel had different versions of the incident. )Razon, Atienza, Atutubo, Mascarinas and Neri’s Lawyer, whose name has escaped my memory.
JONAS, KA ELMO, KURAKOT NA BATANGAS, BERNADETTE…
NGAYON LANG KASI ULI AKO NANDITO SA OPISINA, PASENSYA NA KYO HA, ANG ORAS KO PARA SA INYO AY KINUKUHA KO LANG DITO AYOKO NAMAN KASI MAGYABANG MOST OF THE TIME PUMIPIRMA LANG AKO KYA KALIMITAN NAKATUTOK AKO DITO.HEHEHE
ANG DAMI NYO MGA SINABI PERO DI KO NA MASYADO ININTINDI KASI PARANG MGA HANGIN AT BULAK ANG LAMAN.
TINGIN KO KAYONG APAT NASA ISANG MALIIT NA CUBICLE LANG KYO.KASI NATATAWA AKO SA INYO SA PANGGAGALAITI NYO HEHEHE
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NGAYON ETO ANG TANONG KO SA INYO,MASARAP BA ANG BINABAYAD SA INYO NI JUN LOZADA NA PNAPAKAIN NYO SA MGA ANAK NYO?
ROD, mag-isip ka muna bago ka magsalita ng mga bagay na hindi mo kayang depensahan. Tumutok ka sa isyu para hindi ka nawawala at nagiging personal. So far, wala ka pang sinasabi dito that invites serious discussion o sharing. Gaya nga ng sabi ko, baka nga tama kayo about Jun Lozada but if you will not state your reasons here hindi natin malalaman.
Rod ; I had to agree with Jonas. You have to state something far more than your cut and paste style with personal attack. I know, that you have not included me on this tirade, but, I could not help to agree with Jonas, surely, Bernadette, Kagitingan Ng Batangasa nd Ka Elmo would have their input, actually there is NO Need, as it would just be senseless.
Post something that would be worth discussing. I just read Jonas’ rebuttal, and had to look at what transpired this, and saw your post. You’re the Big guy in your Firm in KSA, tell me, I could see you there, since I regularly shuttle in the Middle East and Europe. perhaps, I could give you a headsup next time I have scheduled meeting there, so I could meet up with you and other Filipinos and see for myself what the Filipino Community thinks of the present situation in their homeland. Like getting the feel of our compatriots on the present issues and what they think would the Philippines. Gas Prices, Electircity, Food Scarcity, Corruption among others.
Jun called up his boss to announce his return from HK and Lito allegedly agree to arrange for his protection and safety from the Senate authorities. – kharry
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Now why would Jun be “protected” and be “safe” from the Senate authorities? Isn’t the Senate authorities a legal and lawful representative of an institution of the Republic which is the Senate? Are you really sure that he is being protected from the Senate? Or was he being held to prevent the Senate from arresting him? I don’t think your facts are accurate.
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We must understand that when an individual requested and submits himself to ‘Protective Custody’, he is never in ‘control’ . It is the security agents that decide his fate. – kharry
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I disagree. Security agents never decide your fate. Never. No such thing. Lozada “submitted” himself to the waiting security because he was given no choice. It was pretty obvious that he has no control of the situation. Somebody is. If his fate was left in the hands of the people around him at the time, Lozada would have been dead now.
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The same is true for the President of the Philippines when under the protection of security escorts, it is the security agents and not the President that decide the best security measures to protect the head of state. – kharry
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Lozada compared to the president? Hebigat! Unlike the president, Lozada has no idea of the persons securing him at the time. The president can do whatever he/she wants to do unless, read again, unless the security dissuades or advices him/her for security reasons. And not all security reasons will prevent the president from doing what he/she wants to do or go where he/she wants to go. In Lozada’s case he was completely ignored by the security with regard to his inquiry as to where they are going, what their names are, etc. A security escort can never ignore the president.
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No security forces want to end up with a ‘dead’ President like what happened to Benazir Bhutto in full view of thousands of Pakistanis including the MEDIA.
Not recognizing any of the security agents, Jun might have panicked and called his relatives to alert his “other connections” possibly because he was ready to flip to the other side. – kharry
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True, no security force want to end up with a dead president. But Lozada’s security were ready to end up with a dead nobody had the instruction to waste him was given. He is no president for Christ’s sake! But seriously, who in his right mind will allow his employer, his boss, his source of living to die? The same is not true in Lozada’s case. He’s no employer of those people. He’s no boss. In fact, they do not respect nor consider him as their superior given the shabby treatment he got from them.
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Whether it is before or after the fact makes no difference, Jun was treated to a generous meal in a restaurant not known to be in an isolated locality and possibly in front of many other diners. – kharry
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Of course it makes a difference because during the time that they were holding Lozada nobody knew where he was or if he is still alive. Just because he was treated to a generous meal doesn’t mean that everything was okay. Remember, he was being held against his wishes.
Kharry: I do not think I need to say more on what Jonas has posted. It is clear, crystal clear in fact. Jonas’ explanation is easily understood. If you need me to have more input I can do that. I think I have reason to believe that Jun was abducted and held against his will. I was on the same flight he took, and there was a big commotion at the airport, with Media people waiting in vain for Jun’s arrival, only to be denied, when Jun was taken and rerouted to the departure area, then down to the tarmac. This is route NOT taken by most. The Tarmac access (the elevator) is reserved for Heads of State. When I was going down the ramp (way to arriva extension area) I saw private cars speeding away, like 7-9 cars, from which I do not know if that was Jun or the Senate Security trying to run after the abductors of JUN.
Only when I listenesd to the radio that I realized that the cars were from the Senate Security Details and some of Jun’s relatives. later I found out that the Senate Security were denied access to the arriving aircraft, mind you, reason provided was security risk.
Let me share this with you, I use the NAIA Terminal alot., and I know for a fact that I could get a security / access pass, on my own, without fail. I would think that I could get the access all the way to the Ramp. They would mark this “Pass as ALL ACCESS PASS” T1 & T2″ Hopefully they have changed this after this incident, for the travelling public’s peace of mind.
KEN KASHI,
KUNG MERON MAN AKONG MGA COMMENT DITO AT PAGPUNA DITO PARA YUN KAY JUN LOZADA, SINCE HE IS THE ISSUE ON THIS BLOG.
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WALA AKONG MATANDAAN NA UNA AKONG UMATAKE SA SINO MAN PERSONALIDAD NA NAGPOPOSTE DITO SA BLOG NA ITO UNLESS INAATAKE NILA AKO.
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SIMPLE LANG KEN, KUNG BASTOS ANG ISANG TAO MAS BASTOS AKO SA KANYA, NGAYON KUNG MERON PAGRESPETO ANG ISANG TAO MAS MAGALANG AKO SA KANYA.
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AYOKONG MAKIPAGTALO DITO SA BLOG NA ITO KASI PARA SAKIN ANG LALAYO KASI NG MGA TINATANONG NG MGA TAONG TINGIN KO AY BASTOS DITO, NAGCOCOMMENT AKO DIREKTA KAY JUN LOZADA AT WALANG SINO MAN ANG MAKAPAGDIDIKTA SAKIN KUNG ANO ANG GUSTO KO SABIHIN. MAG COMMENT NA LANG YUNG IBA DYAN KEYSA UMATAKE KYO SA NAGAGALIT KAY JUN LOZADA, NAPAGHAHALATA KAYO, DI NAKAKATULONG YAN PARA SA PERSONALIDAD NG IDOLO NYO.
Ho-hum! Ang daming langaw! Nakakaantok ang blog na ito. Wala namang masabi yung mga apologists ni Crying Boy kundi bayaran yung mga bumabatikos sa kanya. Akala ko ba kailangan ang pruweba, e nasaan ang pruweba niya na bayaran nga kami.
I challenged those who are accusing me to bring me to the courts so I can confront you face to face and not hide in the anonymity of a blog, I will also challenged you to make sure that you bring the leadership of this government that I will name to give their side and testify under oath, I challenged you to commit to the Filipino people that your leaders will not hide under legal technicality such as an abused executive priveledge and be truthful in their answers to the Filipino Nation. I hope that my willingness to face the courts can also be reciprocated by those who are accusing me.
— You will soon get your wish, Jun. Don’t rush it up. The NBI and DOJ will file cases against you in a matter of time. Remember, you’ve admitted your guilt already in the Senate and you’ve given the authorities of the noose that will squeeze your neck. The prosecutors will do their job, Jun, you don’t need the leadership of this government to do the job for them. Btw, review the constitution, Ju, in the courts, there is no such thing as executive privilege. Executive privilege is only invoked by the executive department in congressional investigations. In the constitution, the president is immune from suit. That means, no president can be sued in court while he/she is in office.
Btw, what happened to your walk-out last Friday, Jun? It’s pfffffft! Akala mo siguro sikat ka na na tulad ni Cory Aquino noong araw na pag tumawag ng boycott, susunod ang taong bayan. Don’t flatter yourself, Jun, di ka pa sikat!
Ano ba yan, bago na namang pakulo. Rally every afternoon, yan ba ang BAYANI? Naku naman, pang gugulo na naman yan sa Gobyerno. Imbes na tumulong sa kasalukuyang mga problema, nakadadagdag pa.
Nakiisa pa kay Manay De Venecia, hay ang tao nga naman, bahala na kayo humusga!
Jun Lozada ituloy mo ang sinasabi mong laban na yan sa Korte, wag sa Karsada, puro ka dakdak. E kung tumutulong ka na lang ba sa mga batang kalye sa lansangan, siguradong matutuwa ako sayo. Ang ginagawa mo halatang halata na pangpersonal mo lang.
Ang laking perwisyo ng ginagawang RALLY, buti sana kung di pang personal ang adhikain e. Itong si JUN LOZADA lahat na lang dinamay at patuloy pang manggugulo sa Gobyerno, bakit di mo isama sa mga reklamo mo ang mag-amang JDV, kung totoong para sa katotohanan ka, JUN halata ka na e.
KAYONG LAHAT!!!
Tayo ay kabilang sa mga Pilipinong nagsusumikap, nagtatrabaho at nagpupursige para sa pansariling kapakanan. Wala tayong ibang nais kungdi ang umasenso at umangat ang estado ng ating kabuhayan. Tayo ay may trabahong marangal at nakasisigurong hindi lumalabag sa batas. Kabilang tayo sa “working class” at itinataguyod natin ang ating pamilya sa pamamagitan ng pagpapa-aral sa ating mga anak, pag-aatikha ng maayos na tahanan, pagkain sa hapag kainan at pagbibigay ng maayos na pananamit para sa bawat miyembo ng ating pamilya. Sa madaling salita, sinisiguro natin ang “basic needs” ng ating pamilya at ang kanilang kinabukasan. Bukod dito, hindi natin nakakalimutan ang ating mga obligasyon sa lipunan, kabilang ang magbayad ng tax at sumunod sa batas. Kabilang din tayo sa “educated populace” na nakikinig at nakikialam sa mga socio-economic at political issues na halos araw-araw nating naririnig at nababasa sa mga pahayagan, telebisyon, radyo at internet. Marami sa atin ang nakaka-alam na ilan lamang sa mga problema ng ating bansa ang kahirapan at kurapsyon. Ngunit sa kabila nito, tayong nasa “middle class” ay kabilang pa rin sa mga mapapalad na mamamayan na hindi nabubuhay ng miserable, kahit na ang Pilipinas ay kabilang sa mga “Third World Countries.”
Sa isang banda, kuntento na ba tayo sa ganitong estado? Ano ang ginagawa natin para matulungang umunlad ang ating bayan? Hindi maiisantabi ang ating kakayanan dahil tayo ay kabilang sa “working class” na maaaring makapagpabago sa kinabukasan ng ating bayan. Kailangan lang na simulan natin ito sa ating mga sarili. Iwasan natin ang pagdo-doktor sa pag-file ng ating Income Tax Return. Sa pamamagitan nito, makakatulong tayo sa pagpapa-taas ng sahod ng mga kawani ng gobyerno, maraming infrastructures at paaralan ang maipatatayo, mabibigyan solusyon ang trapiko atbp.. Kailangan din burahin natin sa ating isipan na ang tax na ibinabayad natin ay kinukurakot lang ng mga pulitiko. Hindi ito sapat na dahilan para hindi natin gampanan ang ating tungkulin bilang isang mamamayan. Bukod dito, kailangan nating maging disiplinado dahil hindi sapat ang pagsunod lamang sa batas. Ilang beses na ba tayong nagtapon ng balat ng kendi at pilter ng sigarilyo sa lansangan? Maaaring maliit na mga bagay lamang ito ngunit malaki ang epekto nito sa ating kalikasan. Kapag may mga pagkakataon, subukan nating ibahagi ang ating mga nalalaman sa mga kapit-bahay, kabarkada, ka-opisina at kamag-anak kung paano tayo makakatulong sa mga “environmental concerns” ng ating komunidad. Sapat ba ang pagkalinga natin sa mga miyembro ng ating pamilya? Ang mga anak ba natin ay kabilang sa mga aktibistang maya’t-maya ay nagra-rally sa lansangan? Huwag natin silang hayaang makibilang sa mga grupong sanhi ng trapik at bandalismo sa mga pader. Kailangang imulat natin sila sa katotohanang walang naidudulot na mabuti ang mga kilos-protesta. Tumutulong ba tayo na masugpo ang problema sa ating ekonomiya? Ilang beses na ba tayong bumili ng pirated CDs and smuggled items na pumapatay sa ating ekonomiya. May mga kapitbahay ba tayo na naka-tap ang kuryente sa main line at hindi nagbabayad sa Meralco? Hindi natin kailangang gumaya sa kanila kung nais nating makatulong sa pag-angat ng ekonomiya. Tumutulong ba tayo na mabawasan ang kurapsyon sa gobyerno? Ilan ba sa atin ang nagbibigay ng padulas sa mga traffic enforcer kapag tayo ay may traffic violations? Ilan na ba sa atin ang tumangkilik sa mga fixers? Alam na natin ang tama at mali dahil tayo ay may mga pinag-aralan. Iwasan natin gumaya sa mga taong ganito, sa halip ay hikayatin natin silang baguhin ang sistema.
Maaring simple lang ang mga nakasaad ngunit sa atin lamang ito maaaring magsimula. Huwag nating ikibit-balikat ang mga ito, sa halip ay maging parte tayo ng pagbabago. Huwag nating sayangin ang pagiging edukado natin…
itsa very….unreliable….the article that you wrote hear are quite made-up…if so…i would like to see pictures of your said trip to max….and rod is right…you people who discriminate jun lzada haters are idiots……hahaha…………..and lozada is a doofus….who do you think he is?????angel locsin….or jeslie lapus…our principal said…..”only the secretary of education can halt classes…..walang utak……
JUN LOZADA friend Rep. Jose De Venecia Jr, politics is his life, his means and his grounds. Splendid enough to be written on his memoirs but not to the eyes of the Filipino people who consider him as a “trapo” (traditional politician). JDV (as how people know him) is a wolf in a sheep’s clothing. He seems to be a protagonist whenever he appears on television and radio interviews, but don’t be deceived by his practiced tone. His intentions are usually covered by seemingly innocent bids that are really focused for his personal gain, not for the improvement of the present government system.
During JDV’s speakership, he has been keen in pushing thru the Charter Change (Cha-Cha) through a constituent assembly (Con-Ass). His objective was not to improve the constitution but rather, to convey unlimited term for traditional politicians (like him). In addition, he intended to built his character by giving in to the interests of international financial institutions such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank (WB), Asian Development Bank, World Trade Organization (WTO) and other influential countries and global firms to fulfill his ambition in becoming the country’s first prime minister under a parliamentary system. During his early days in politics, JDV went scot-free with a P5 billion private debts from his defunct Land Oil Resources Corp. during former president Ferdinand Marcos’ term. He also asserted the institutionalization of pork barrel distribution from the national budget during former President Fidel Ramos’ term. It was all too common that most Filipino are against the pork barrel scheme since part of the funds only goes to the politicians’ pocket. The worst was JDV’s active support for the 1973 charter change during Marcos’ term that legitimized the late dictator’s imposition of Martial Law.
True to being a “Trapo”, his deeds never changed even under the present administration. It can be recalled that JDV had nowhere to go when he beggingly clung to PGMA’s party to sustain his political career, contrary to reports that Mrs. Arroyo tapped him to help promote the latter’s Presidency. With the President’s willingness to help him survive in the political arena, she willingly put JDV under her wings. In the eyes of the media JDV made it well under the present administration as a “trapo,” not until his son, Joey De Venecia III made a mess with the aborted ZTE-NBN deal that dipped his father in the mud. As a “trapo”, JDV’s instinct was to find ways to survive the controversy. At the brink of his ouster as House Speaker, he blamed the Palace of plotting his downfall, spitting out allegations of irregularities and corruptions in the government. As such, he was too fast to fabricate stories about corruption in the present administration, hurling them directly against the Arroyo administration while making him totally hypocrite. It was all too obvious then that JDV is expecting the opposition’s door to open up for him. JDV clearly showed the public that he was not only “trapo,” but a “balimbing” as well.
During an hour-long speech as JDV was in the process of being ousted, the Filipino people realized the true intention of this politician. Time came by and they will not be fooled again. If JDV was truly a concerned lawmaker, he had so many chances before to do right for this nation. However, those opportunities were all focused for his personal gains. He supposedly had the chance to look into several issues and probably do something about it, but the power he had as Speaker of the Lower House was just a strong hold, serving only as a stepping stone as the potential Prime Minister in a new Philippine Parliamentary. His position was definitely a cover to hide his own morality.
Now, with the aborted ZTE-NBN deal still warm for exploitation, JDV still has the guts to stand as witness in its investigation. For sure, the Filipino people would not be interested anymore in his testimony after he unashamedly chose sides just to survive the political arena and to remain in power. He is not the kind of witness that we need to uncover alleged anomalies since he lacks credence for that matter. JDV’s real intention is not to do what is right, but rather, of political survival. Nothing more…
HUWAG MO NA KAMING LOKOHIN JUN!!! BINAYARAN KA NG DE VENECIA FAMILY…. PARA SA CARRER NI REP. DE VENECIA. Question Who’s next witness? answer no other than REP. JDV for political survival he.he.he.. tama JUN…
“…there is no such thing as executive privilege. Executive privilege is only invoked by the executive department in congressional investigations.” - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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If there is no such thing as executive privilege, according to you, how come the executive department invokes it? And why will you take it up against Lozada when, aside from not even entitled to it, those people whom he is accusing are hiding behind it?
“AYOKONG MAKIPAGTALO DITO SA BLOG NA ITO KASI PARA SAKIN ANG LALAYO KASI NG MGA TINATANONG…” - ROD
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Hindi mo kailangang makipagtalo ang dapat mo lang gawin e linawin o ipamahagi ang pananaw na sa tingin mo ay tama. At kung ang mga tanong naman e sa palagay mo ay malalayo bakit hindi mo subukang ilapit? Malalayo ba sila dahil hindi mo masagot o malalayo dahil hindi mo maintindihan? Either way madali lang ‘yan, i-discuss mo at alamin mo kung bakit gano’n.
Ginakopyahan : The posts DO NOT discriminate against anyone whose comment is NOT favorable to JUN or to the effect that Gloria is leading us down the drain.
Those who have written unfavorable remarks to Jun need to post something substantial to merit a comment. If you would browse through this, there have been quite a few good exchanges of ideas and rebuttals. You would only have to read through the exchanges amongst KHARRY, JONAS, ABS of LA, among others.
Surely you could have some interesting comments worth second look if not a comment.
I even had a civil reply from Rod. Followed up by Jonas as well.
Hoping that we could have a far more interesting comments and exchanges in the near future.
Thanks.
Rod : Thanks for your comment. I believe Jonas has reokied to you concerning : HINDI NAKIKIPAGTALO…..
Why don’t we forget the previous remarks and perhaps you could start off with some interesting questions or points of order, and all of us could decipher / analyze and give our 10-cents worth about the subject. How is that for a re-start?
I can sense the intelligence that abound in this blog, we just need to take matters at hand seriously, and you’ll be surprised at the beautiful flow of ideas being posted around.
Thanks. Ken
Ken,
I am with you as far as elevating the level of our discussion a notch higher. We are all sensible people who can share our thoughts in a civilized manner. We are not participating in this blog to attack and insult each other. We further are not in this blog to attack and insult either Jun or GMA.
Our main objective is to share our personal opinions, observations and ideas on how we can be of help in our own little way to be part of the solution instead of the problem.
If we start to treat each other with respect, allowing each one to explain his side of the issue, we can always remain civilized agreeing to disagree among ourselves.
Just like the four blind men who were trying to disribe a carabao based on their sense of touch, where one was holding the horn, the other the tail, the other the legs and the last one the back of the beast, they all contradicted each other trying to defend their point of view. But they were only touching one side of the truth. Yet if they all put their heads together they could actually approximate how a carabao looks like by respecting what each one knew about how a carabao looks like.
In the same way each one of us has something to contribute in bringing out the truth. How we do it will be just up to us.
OMG, talk about spinning. ROD your muddling the whole issue here. The issue is the corruption of the ZTE deal which jun witnessed. Titirahin nyo un tao PERO you don’t say anything about the evil bitch and her cohorts???? Isn’t that a bit dumb and stupid? typical palace counter-attack. Make the messenger (whistle-blowers) the scapegoat. And voila, we forget the head of the snake. I don’t really mind if JUN got paid tong-pats because if he didn’t then somebody else will AND thats the whole gist of these most corrupt government in the world. Thats what we have as a government and guess who is to blame?
Ive been asking these question to myself. Wouldn’t it have been better for Jun to just accept the bribe when it was offered to him by his friend (defensor) to just shut up? Ikaw ROD, ano say mo? I think you would have just taken the money and told a lie, who cares anyways right? They say everyone has a price, whats your price ROD? a few million bukols? 200?
Why would JUN and his family go thru this hell? It would have been easier and worthwhile for him to just accept the millions (probably) and to keep quite. What can the Senate do to him? Look at Neri, He’s prolly getting himself fattened up by toeing the palace line. So why can’t Jun be like Neri.
It takes no rocket scientist to see thru the lies that the ODD COUPLE are doing to deflect the ZTE deal away from them. These people are ruthless and don’t care who gets hurt as long as they come away clean.
I hope there’s a day of reckoning for these palace cockcroaches. I don’t know how you can stand looking at her delivering her speeches when we know that there’s always 11 lies on every 10 words she speaks. I loathe looking at her and her tubby hubby.
Glad I got that out of my chest.
mga kababayan its 6:55am here, as usual habang nagkakape maglilibang muna ako sa mga bayaran ni lozada dito…may bago si Bernie B. hehehhe, di ko na rin masyado binasa ang komiks nya obvious kasi na bayad na bayad sya e..magkano ka Bernie B? kawawa ka naman baka kasi wala kang pangpakain sa pamilya mo kaya mo nagagawa yan or wala kang alam na ibang trabaho? dahan dahan lang sa panggagalaiti ba ka ma alta presyon ka..hehehe..
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meron pa rin isa dyan, Jonas ba ang pangalan nun, walang tigil sa kakaputak kahit matagal ko na sinabihan na ang tingin ko sa kanya ay bobo sya at tanga sya, isa pa puro hangin ang sinasabi mo..di mo kayang ilihis ang gusto ko sabihin sa blog na ito, dahil di ako pumapatol utak pulburon..hehehe, advise ko syo mag aral ka..pati isa pa bakla ka siguro, kasi halos kapag nakikita ko parang lumalabas na ang dila mo at tumatalsik ang laway mo sa panggagalaiti sa mga di umaayon syo.
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and with due respect to you Mr. Ken, tulad ng sinabi ko magalang lang ako sa mga taong marunong rumespeto, pero walang makakapagdikta sakin kung anong mga gusto kong sabihin at ipahayag dito..tingin ko nasa tamang edad na ako para malaman ko ang mga sinasabi ko na hindi ko naman ipinipilit sa iba.
ROD you lost it. Ang aga mong bumigay. Kumbaga, hindi pa ‘ko bumubunot tumimbuwang ka na! Saka akala ko ba matino ka, e bakit tila yata galit at poot na ‘yang sinasabi mo. Tignan mo, wala ka na sa topic. Ang title ng thread na ito e “You Are What You See.” I think you are seeing evil right now.
Err ROD, That shows how dumb you are. FYI I am in Los Angeles, CA. I live and work here. I am also an american citizen BUT my heart still belongs to my beloved philippines. You say why should I care? I care because the Philippines is still my country.You say nagugutom mga anak ko? heck no. They are well fed and go to private schools. BUT our neighbors over there ang nagugutom. They can’t afford to buy bigas now. They can’t afford to buy tinapa. They can’t afford to send their children to school. Why is that? Do you have any answer to that? You talk about respect. The people your protecting are the most corrupt and are disrespecting my country. Look at the new COA report. Magkano ang ginagastos nang palasyo sa food every month? They spend millions of pesos a month while most of the philippines is going hungry, handang fiesta naman ang kinakain nang mga hinayupak sa palasyo. Mga walang kunsensiya. These are the people that you bow to. So before you write something constructive, think first. You are so gullible. Oh by the way, I make close to eight thousand dollars a month. If theres anyone getting bought, it’s you and for pennies. Thats how much your worth.
hehehhe, that how to test the water…
nakita ko nyo na ang mga nanggagalaiti hehehhe..your so funny guys..nakakhiya kyo..anyway kung sino man ang bumabasa nitong mga message na ito will be the one to judge kung anong uri tyo at sino ang mas credible sa mga salita natin, let them…why dont you let them!
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at para sayo Bernie B. so what kung nasan ka man lupalop ng mundo i dont care..who are you anyway stupid..magsasalita ka ng bayaran ng ibalik ko syo nanggagalaiti ka hehehe..get lost idiot
isa pa Bernie B. pinagmamalaki mo na american citizen ka, alam mo ba na may naging kasama ako sa bahay (maid) dati na american citizen! kya i dont care even if you are the president of the world, stupid. ayoko naman magyabang syo pero ang kinikita ko ay 6 na beses mas malaki sa snsweldo ng sinasabi mong si Gloria, kaya you must be hallucinating.
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yung jonas nga pala ang pangalan di ko na pag aaksayahin sagutin kasi alam kong palamunin lang sya ni lozada, at walang saysay ang pagkatao nyo..embicile ka.hehhehe
Bernie,
I cannot but agree with you as to JLO taking the harder route. He could have just remained silent, accepted the money that Gaite and Defensor gave him. I am sure that they were only cash advances which if he had just rode along with what Malacanang wanted, he could have gotten more millions of pesos by now.
The same thing I can I say about the bothers of De La Salle community, the Auxiliary Bishop of Manila, the Carmelite nuns and other priests and bishops who have come out in defense of JLO. These religious priests likewise decided to take the harder route. They could have just kept quite in their convents, pray, eat and sleep day in and day out, and they would be living lives of contented cows.
But we all know that in these critical times when our people are barely making both ends meet, not lifting a finger or stepping up in protest to the abuses of our government officials is tantamount to approval of their crimes while in office. I am deeply convinced that each one of them had to go through an individual confrontation with their own consciences before they decided on which route to take.
I think the same thing happens with each and everyone of us. Just like you I’ve live in the US for the last 24 years. I go home for vacation almost every year just to keep getting in touch with my roots alive. I am deeply concerned with the conditions of our people back home. Supporting people like JLO in his quest for bringing out the truth about the ZTE deal is just my small way of showing my concern for the benefit of our country and our people.
Jun Lozada is a piece of shit who made dump truck full of unbelievable stories.
shame on you Jun Lozada, i know that the will of the real evil will not going to succeed.
God knows who is lying anyway..
‘you are what you see’ is definitely a presumption.
diba dapat ‘think twice or thrice, study & analyze carefully on what you see’ i think thats more convincing, tama ba Jun Lozada!
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—————————————————————————————————————–Thanks Bernadette, Yup organic farming po kami, though we also call it Semi-organic farming dahil gumagamit pa rin kami ng chemical pesticide and herbicide… 25% lang ng pesticides namin ang organic, pwede kami mag delive kung by bulk po ang o-orderin nyo. e-mail nyo po ako for more info: dennismasagca@yahoo.com
To ABS and Bernadette:
Regarding Chavit Singson, I Think nobody likes Chavit parang si Jun din siya, naging Whistle Blower lang siya dahil sa hindi nila pag kakaintindihan ni ERAP. Hindi tinitira si Chavit nun kasi hindi pa sikat ang BLOGS at wala nman BLOG si Chavit nung panahon nya, walang medium ang mga common tao para iparating sa kanya ang kanilang saloobin. Ang pag kakaiba lang ni Chavit ay hindi sya cry baby at meron syang “BALLS” para harapin si Erap. Hindi nya ginagamit ang ga madre, hindi xa nag campus tour para gamitin ang mga kabataan sa kanyang krusada, hindi sya nanawagan para sa noise barage at walk out sa mga opisina at hindi din sya paiyak - iyak sa harap ng TV. nung nag karoon ng imbestigasyon, marami nailabas na Ebidensya hindi puro dakdak lang. Si Chavit ay patuloy na nakaka laya dahil naging susi xa sa pag papatalsik kay Erap. Ganyan nman dito sa Pilipinas, pag nagtagumpay ang pag aaklas mo, bayani ka pag hindi nman redelde ka at kulong ka sa kasong rebelyon. Hindi maka kuha ng buong suporta si JUN dahil sa ayaw na din nang taong bayan ng ISA PANG TULAD NI CHAVIT. TAMA NG MAY ISANG KURAKOT NA CHAVIT, WAG NA DAGDAGAN PA NG ISANG JUN.
ABS, Bernie B., Jonas : I envy you guys. You have been away from the Philippines for quite sometime, and yet, here you are pretty much concerned about the current affairs and state of the nation of your homeland. Yes, I do alot of travelling and been based in another country for the past 12-odd years, but I have the liberty and chance to visit almost every week.
I have almost always been updated on Jun’s expose’ and still have seen alot of our countrymen apathetic to the situation.
I have had the chance to have met with some OFW’s,_ Asia, Australia, Middle East yes, Rod, I have been there, and Europe, they are far more concerned than those in the Philippines.
Simply put, I do not think the Filipinos are concerned at all, so long as they maintain the status of their daily lives. parang Status Quo. Sad, but I hope that I am wrong in my perception.
Correct me if I am wrong, Jun has been offereed something like Php 100,000,000.00 and Cabinet Position. This is separate from the Php200M offered to Neri.
For crying out loud! the government is really duping the people!!! Have we had any Financial Statement from the Central Bank of the Philippines. Pardon my ignorance, but I have not really had a chance to see the Financial Report of BSP. Under G. Singson it was making some money, so was it while under P. Buenaventura. Wonder how it is doing under Tetangco, and soon, Bunye would be at the Monetary Board. I could just imagine the cover up they would be doing! Harry Potter sequel???
ZTE-NBN : Joey makes the proposal, Abalos gets wind of it, Abalos informs FG, voila, Abalos gets the project. Not only that! From BOT the project has changed to Loan, immediately after the Golf game in Shenzen and lunch with ZTE Officials!
Joey testfies in the Senate with Jarius. Neri Testified, albeit invoked EO464 when pressed upon to divulge conversation with Gloria. Jun has been given notification by Senate that he would be next. Delaying tactics by Gloria henchmen prevents Jun from testifying. Senate issues Subpoena to Jun, who contacted his boss_Lito Atienza. Lito updated of the ZTE-NBN Fiasco, mentioned to jun ” Pag lumabas ito sa publico, magagalit sila, at ibibigay mo ang gobyerno sa oposisyon…”
Jun was asked to seek advice from Palace Lawyers on how to go around the subpoena. Jun meets with Gaite staff at the Executive Guest house, Monday, 29th January 2008. Ante-Dated Travel Request made, flight to Hong Kong Booked, Hotel reservation made. these after palace Lawyers mentioned there is NO escaping the Senate, best option is to leave the country and let it die down. Ala- Joc-Joc, except that jun is NOT willing to leave the country for good, as he is nationalistic, idolizes Jose Rizal.
Jun departs for Hong Kong, and returns on 5th February, only to be abducted upon arrival, almost made silent were it not for the media noise, brought about by his family’s frantic calls and requests to bring back Jun to them, alive and well. Abductors receive instructions to bring him back, albeit, stay with family, ala under house arest at La Salle Brother’s Dormitory.
8th February, Jun made his First Senate grilling, spilling the beans as they say. Implicating big names in the government. No wonder they took the extra step of getting the PSG and Security chief of NAIA to abduct Jun upon arrival via CX 919, arrival at 1636hrs. Jun DID NOT passed through immigration, explaining the absence of ARRIVAL STAMP on his passport which was given back to him, weeks after his arrival. Two secnarios on this :
1) Palace was unable to get the cooperation of Immigration Personnel to STAMP THE ARRIVAL ENRTY _ ANTE DATED as usual. This is UNLIKELY. Atutubo is Gloria’s previous Security Aide.
2) Make JUN disappear, and if pressed by relatives and media, they could show that JUN
never FLEW BACK to Manila.
PROOF WOULD BE: IMMIGRATION RECORD SHOWS THAT JUN NEVER ARRIVED.
They could play up, that Jun probably took a flight out of Hong Kong, destination :
UNKNOWN. This scenario is the most plausible one, and thank goodness, again THE
PALACE HAS FAILED. Thanks to the Media and Jun’s Family! Now that family is really
Closed-Knit.
Before Jun left for Hong Kong, he has maintained to the government, and expressed his
request to them on that meeting with Palace Lawyers, under M. Gaite. These are :
A) I DO NOT WISH TO BE GRILLED IN THE SENATE. Please ensure this. PALACE Fails.
B) PLEASE STOP THE DEATH THREATS. Palace succeeded. Albeit briefly.
C) SHOULD I GO TO THE SENATE “I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LIE” - Good thing the PALACE FAILED. Filipinos were saved from something like, Php 6,000,000,000.00 BILLION pesos kickback. At least that amount.
At present, Jun and his Family are staying with the La Salle Brothers in their dormitory.
Thank you La Salle Brothers, AMRSP, and the Filipinos who wants to get the TRUTH be told.
Did I make a good and logical Chronological Account?
To The PALACE Tennants : Cut clean and let the TRUTH BE TOLD to the Filipino People. We deserve nothing less!
On another subject, Gloria will visit Uncle Sam. Rumor has it that she was not invited, but have been asked, diplomatically, to go there as President Bush would want to give her some Tongue Lashing. Probable issues to be discused :
ZTE-NBN Kickbacks and CHINA’s influence on her Domestic and International Policy. Especially the Baseline Territory, which is gathering dust in Miriam’s desk. MERALCO, GAS PRICE, this is global phenom. Gloria could ease this for the Filipinos by temporarily shelving the VAT on Gas and power), RICE SHORTAGE (There is none, and never was), among others.
Thanks!
Ang Perwisyong dulot ng “Noise Barrage” nila Manay Gina
Ayan na naman sila… humirit na naman sina Rep Jose De Venecia Jr, ang kanyang asawa na si Gina De Venecia, Atty Josie Lichaucho, Atty Harry Roque, Linggoy Alquaz, Elaine Tordesillas etc.. Binulabog na naman nila ang Lungsod ng Makati nang mag-“noise barrage” ang grupo noong ika-13 ng Hunyo. Tatlumput-walong sasakyan ang ginamit, dahilan para magkabuhol-buhol ang trapiko sa Makati. Ano na naman kaya ang naisipan ng mga taong ito? Ito ba ay isang protesta na naman? Isang protestang hindi alam ng taong-bayan ang dahilan sapagkat wala namang rason para mag-protesta. Sino ba naman ang may matinong pag-iisip ang mag-“noise barrage” gayong wala namang isyu na dapat isangguni. Marahil ang nais lang nila ay magpapansin sa publiko… ngunit pasensya na dahil talagang sawa na ang taong-bayan sa mga ganyang pagkilos. Sa totoo lang, ang tanging naidulot ng kanilang “noise barrage” sa publiko ay ang perwisyo sa trapiko at abala na kinasuklaman ng maraming motorista. Sana naman sa susunod ay sa bundok na lang sila mag-protesta na kung saan wala silang maaabala.
Para sa nag-pakana ng “noise-barrage” sa Makati, sana ay isipin nyo din na hindi nyo pag-aari ang mga kalye at hindi lang kayo ang may karapatan na gumamit nito. Gamitin nyo naman ang utak nyo! Ang mga aktibidades na tulad ng “noise barrage protest action” nyo ay maari din idaos sa mga pampublikong lugar tulad ng mga parke na kung saan hindi kayo makakasagabal sa mga mamamayang walang interes sa mga pinag-gagagawa ninyo. Palibhasa, kakampi nyo si Mayor Binay na hindi tumatanggi sa mga kilos protesta, basta ang tema ng panawagan ay laban sa administrasyon. Paalala lang din kay Mayor, hindi nyo po pag-aari ang Lungsod ng Makati at trabaho nyo ang pangalagaan ang kapakanan ng taong-bayan at ng mga empleyado sa nasasakupan nyo.
Ilang ngit-ngit na ba ang narinig natin tuwing may mga ganitong pagkakataon? Ilan ba sa atin ang naiinis tuwing may ganitong protesta? Sa totoo lang, hindi naman ito makakatulong sa atin, bagkus, nakakaperwisyo pa. Sa panahon ngayon, hindi na kapani-paniwala ang ipinaglalaban ng mga taong ito dahil malinaw naman na para sa pangsariling kapakanan lang nila ang iniisip nila. Wala ring dahilan at hindi napapanahon ang mga protestang katulad nito. Hindi aasenso ang bayan sa ganitong gawain. Mas mabuti pang wag na lang nila idamay ang mga tao kung may nais man silang idulog sa mga kalaban nila sa pulitika… Magbago na sana sila…
Ang mga ganitong estilo ng isang trapo upang maka-akit ng mga kakampi ay laos na. Pagod na ang mga taong bayan sa mga walang kahihinatnang bagay. Wala na ba kayong naisip naibang paraan? Wag naman sanang pansarili lamang ang inyong kinakalakal.. bagkos, para sa bayan naman.
pareho lang sila mga kawatan….they bite each other.
Batang Gas di ka talaga nag bago…mukhang pera ka parin….mana ka talaga sa driver nyo na kamukha mo.
i agree with you Atong, pareho pareho lahat yan magmula kanan hanggang kaliwa, nagkabulilyasuhan kasi sa kita, puro kasi mga greedy at matakaw sa bukulan..kya ayan may ngumangawa, nagpe feeling makabayan pa, hehhehe nakakatawa talaga itong si Jun Lozada..
isa pang nakakaumay ay yung HE SAID, SHE SAID THING..one time nakapanood ako ng senate hearing, may isang testigo nung hindi nagustuhan ng mga senador yung sinasabi, ipapacontempt na..hehhee nakakatawa talaga its like watching a circus..only in pinas talaga
Shhhh! quite lang sir rod…baka marinig ka ni Batang Gas. Best friend yan ni kuya jamby.
Hey Bernie! can you send me a can of luncheon meat? i want a Maling brand.
KAHIT ANO PA MAN ANG SABIHIN NATIN DITO SA BLOG NA ITO.. HINDI NAMAN TALAGA DITO MARERESOLBA ANG PROBLEMA NATIN SA BANSA NATIN.. WALA PANG ISANG DAAN ANG NABABALITAKTAKAN DITO… DOESNT MATTER KUNG SINO ANG NAKAKALAMANG SA PATUTSADAHAN AT ASARAN DITO.. DI RIN NAMAN ITO MAKAKATULONG SA PAGLABAS NG KATOTOHANAN.. SIR JUN, TULOY LANG PO.. I STILL PRAY FOR YOUR SAFETY AND I REALLY BELIEVE WITH WHAT YOUR FIGHTING FOR.. KUNG AYAW NILANG LUMABAS ANG KATOTOHANAN WELL TAYO GUSTO.. BAKIT TAYO MAKIKINIG SA KANILA… PAG NAGTAGUMPAY SI SIR JUN.. PAPASALAMATAN NATIN SI JUN SA MAS MATIWASAY NA BANSA NA TATAMASAHIN NG MGA ANAK NG ANAK NATIN.. SALAHMALAYKUM ROD.
puro naman kayo magagaling! kaya nga nagka problema ang pinas dahil sa mga magagaling lahat kayo. pina sikat nyo si lozada , pupusta ako sigurado tatakbo ito sa 2010 bilang senador o mag vice ni erap
tigilan na ito!!!!!
I’m not going to write here praising and patting Lozada’s just back because I believe all he says hook, line and sinker. Nope, I will not do that. But I have to admit, compared with the other people implicated in his expose, he make sense. That is my impression of him. While others appear to be avoiding to go out and tell the people what they know, Lozada, in fairness, has proven his desire to confront anybody on anything relating to the controversy and other things he has knowledge of. That despite physical danger to his person. Actually, karamihan sa mga tao hindi naman talaga totally naniniwala sa lahat ng sinasabi ni Jun Lozada, including myself. PERO, of all the people involved in the controversy, he is the one the people think is talking sense. Siya ‘yung nagsasabi ng mga bagay na hindi man lubusang paniwalaan e nagbibigay ng ideya sa mga tao na may posibilidad ng katotohanan. Bakit kan’yo? E, sa dami na ng nasabi ni Jun Lozada ‘yung mga taong inakusahan n’ya at iba pang kasali sa kontrobersiya e hindi man lang makapabigay ng impormasyon na tumututol o pinawawalang bisa ‘yung mga alegasyon niya. Natural, kung ang mga salita at bintang ay hindi natapatan o kinontra man lang mananatili ito sa isipan ng mga taong nag-iisip at kanilang natitimbang ang halaga at importansiya nito. So far, sa mga nababasa natin dito na tutol kay Mr. Lozada, puro galit, poot at imbento ang sinasabi ng ilan. Hindi nila kini-question at kinokontra ang mga statements ni Lozada dahil meron silang mas believable, sensible at credible na statements or facts disputing Lozada’s allegation. Nagagalit at minumura nila si Lozada dahil wala silang magawa sa kanyang sinasabi. Asar na asar sila dahil malaki ang posibiligdad na tutoo nga ang sinasabi ni Lozada. Well, hindi natin masisiss ang mga taong ‘yan kasi wala silang konkretong impormasyon na maitatapat sa mga sinasabi ni Mr. Lozada dahil ‘yung mga taong pwedeng kumontra kay Lozada e either nananahimik sa takot, nagtatago o nagtakbuhan na. Dahil wala silang konkretong isyu na kokontra sa mga sinabi ni Lozada they resort to gutter language, trolling, attacks and insults. Nakakaawa ang mga taong ganyan. Hindi nagagamit ng matino ang pag-iisip. Patuloy na nilalason nila ang sarili nilang pang-unawa dahil lamang sa kakapusan ng kaalaman sa mga bagay-bagay. The more na ibinabalandra nila ang poot nila dito sa blog na ‘to the more na naaawa ako sa kanila.
ROD OR RODA?
PURO KABAKLAAN NAMAN SINASABI MO!!!puro ka akusa ke jun wala namang kongkretong ebidensya….
hinamak mo payung isa dito na kesyo mas malaki ang sweldo mo,dapat lang para me pang hala ka BADING!!!
ATONG KURIKONG magsama kayo ni roda mga DRAGON…..WAG NA KAYONG MANGHAWA DITO……U GUYS ARE JUST UNWORTHY,useless…………………
yo KEN..I came here to the US as a necessity noong panahon pa ni Marcos. I would gladly trade my life here for a life in pinas BUT unfortunately hindi mabubuhay pamilya ko. A lot of us goes abroad for a better life for OUR family and not for ourselves. Diba kaya maraming OFW is because of that? A want for a better life? Hay naku, we have the resources in our country if we can but develop them. We need a government thats for the people. The government is there to SERVE the people but what’s happening is, they think the people are there to serve them.
yo ROD, you don’t have anything to say but insults? well am really not surprised. You don’t have anything to say to defend the people your protecting? how much were you paid? 30 pieces of gold?
Atong..tsk tsk tsk. Why don’t you ask your chinese friends for you luncheon meat. Make it a part of the ZTE deal. Maybe you can add that up as a “bukol” for you. As far as I know Maling is made in china.
TANONG KO LANG SA MGA DETRACTORS NI JUN
1. TINITIRA NYO BA SI JUN DAHIL HINDI KAYO NANINIWALA NA MAY ANOMALYA SA ZTE DEAL?
2. UMAMIN SI GLORIA NA MAY NAAMOY SIYA KONTI ANOMALYA KAYA KINANCEL NIYA.. PALAGAY NYO BA KAKANSELIN NYA YON KUNG HINDI ITO NALAMAN NG PUBLIKO.
3. AYAW NYO BA TALAGANG LUMABAS ANG KATOTOHANAN?
PAKISAGOT
I would like to contribute to this process of developing our systems and practice of democracy and like Mr. Lozada closed with a prayer I would like to add to it with passages from scripture. Its from the Bible translation The Message.
Passage Isaiah 45:6:… I am
Isaiah 45
The God Who Forms Light and Darkness
I am God, the only God there is. I form light and create darkness,
I make harmonies and create discords.
I, God, do all these things.
Passage Isaiah 45:8:
8 -10″Open up, heavens, and rain.
Clouds, pour out buckets of my goodness! Loosen up, earth, and bloom salvation;
sprout right living.
I, God, generate all this. But doom to you who fight your Maker—
you’re a pot at odds with the potter! Does clay talk back to the potter:
‘What are you doing? What clumsy fingers!’ Would a sperm say to a father,
‘Who gave you permission to use me to make a baby?’ Or a fetus to a mother,
‘Why have you cooped me up in this belly?’”
Passage Isaiah 45:12:
11 -13Thus God, The Holy of Israel, Israel’s Maker, says:
“Do you question who or what I’m making?
Are you telling me what I can or cannot do? I made earth,
and I created man and woman to live on it. I handcrafted the skies
and direct all the constellations in their turnings. And now I’ve got Cyrus on the move.
I’ve rolled out the red carpet before him. He will build my city.
He will bring home my exiles. I didn’t hire him to do this. I told him.
I, God-of-the-Angel-Armies.”
The Message (MSG)
Copyright © 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2002 by Eugene H. Peterson
The Message at Navpress NavPress
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God Bless freedom and peace for all.
Bernie b,
siguro wala ka ng trabaho ngayon dyan kaya ayan nagpabayad ka na kay Lozada, nakikiparte ka na rin sa mga kinurakot ni lozada na dapat sana ay sa mga mahihirap na pinoy, masarap ba ang galing sa kurakot Bernie B? nakakaya mo magpakain mong kainin ang galing sa nakaw Bernie B
KURAKOT NA TAGA BATANGAS,
HEHHEHE SOBRA ANG PANGGAGALAITI MO HA..MAGKANO KA BA?
BAKA 1 LIBO LANG ANG BINAYAD SAYO NI LOZADA DAHIL MABABANG KLASE KA..HEHEHEHE
Synopsis of a Kidnapping:
What is the head of the Philippine Forestry doing in NEDA? Doesn’t he have better things to do in his own office? We will not dwell on that question, that is Jun’s prerogative if he thinks his office is of secondary importance.
Ben is due for retirement and he was thrown a project as a reward for his past services. Comes Joey sticking his greedy finger into Ben’s cake. Romy tries to mediate and used Jun to moderate their greeds. Joey won’t budge so Ben called FG for help. FG told Joey to back-off.
According to Jun, he was assigned by Neri to mediate (moderate their greed?) between Ben and Joey so his involvement is known to the opposition through, possibly, Joey. When Neri was summoned to the Senate and refused to talk, Jun knew that his days are numbered before his summons come. In other words, he was cornered like a rat. He had a lot of information on ZTE, although he did not t have the smoking gun, but he can not hide behind executive privileges like Neri.
After planning with his boss and other legal counsels, they all agreed that Jun leave the country till things cool down and Jun opted for HK.
The poor guy was left all alone out in the cold HK winter, his financial means are running low and his personal intelligence informed him that the whole thing will take a long time to blow over. There is no doubt that while in HK he maintained communications with Joey and other individuals. He has to return but he must have his own plans! Let’s say that by the time Jun decided to return he was ready to play two cards, namely the Lito card (call it the Queen of Hearts if you like) and the Joey card (the wild card Joker or call it The Opposition).
He called up Lito who assured him his safety when he arrives. Needless to guess that Jun also announced his return to his family, Joey, and other related individuals. We may safely say that Jun’s return from HK was no secret at all.
When Jun arrived NAIA, true enough the securities were there to meet him but so were the relatives, the media, and maybe the Senate arresting officers too. If Jun passes through the Immigration controls, it will be hard for him to escape the crowd so the security had to whisk him out through the tarmac and that explained for the absence of immigration stamps.
The airline carrier’s passenger manifest will attest that a passenger Lozada was on board and landed in Manila. The theory of not stamping immigration entry in anticipation for a possible rubout will not hold water.
Initial plans were to escort Jun home. However, intelligence reports of gathering of people present outside Jun’s residence caused the abortion of initial plans but no substitute plans were in place. So, similar to Jun’s HK trip, instructions were to take Jun for a ride till things cool down or after alternate plans can be devised. At that point even the security agents didn’t know where to go and it is probably at this stage also that Jun panicked, thinking that those unknown security agents can and may cause him harm.
However, he was allowed full usage of his mobile phone except when he started to divulge their whereabouts which is usually not allowed in secret missions. He was not blindfolded nor brought to secret hideouts. He was treated civilly, no oral and physical threats were made. But, because news of his possible abduction was spreading like wildfire, instructions were to bring him to Outback and ask him to sign an “comfort” affidavit to release the securities from liabilities. No one can fully interpret that situation in retrospect except Jun himself. Kidnapping or not, it is for the “kidnappers” to refute it in court.
Anyway, given that scare, Jun probably decided to play the Joker and the entire card game changed. Jun had to shift gears and twist everything in his favor. The problem now is Jun does not have the “smoking gun”, like the rest of the other witnesses, all he has are narratives. Another strange thing is Jun does not even possess a piece of evidence to prove his accusations, not even a scribbled note with the figure “130” in Ben’ handwriting. That’s why it is up for us to glean the truth not only from his inconsistencies in narration but also from his actions during the interrogations, the tears, the pauses and hesitations, the sagging of his jaws, the dropping and turning away of his eyes, the lighting up of his face when cues and hints are offered, the sham look while he searches for an answer, etc.,etc. In actuality, Jun did not volunteered to tell the “truth”, he was a victim of circumstances.
Indeed, it is very, very hard to bring out the truth but for Jun, he has discovered that it is even harder to hide the truth - his true character.
Roda!!!!! hindi piso lang mas marami kasi akong pera kesa ke Jun………….
ikaw mucho ka!!!malacanang budget di ba??????????
hehhehe ganun ba sa sobrang dami bang kinurakot ng amo mong si jun lozada at naibigay syo kaya marami kang pera…
pero masarap ba kumain ng galing sa kurakot, kurakot na batangas hehhehe
Jun Lazada, isn’t it you yourself who deprived these sampaguita and ylang-ylang sellers of free education, of their future, when you stole millions in taxpayers’ money in your capacity as head of Philforest?
It’s disgusting how you manage to pat yourself on the back for these gullible children’s ill-directed admiration.
1. TINITIRA NYO BA SI JUN DAHIL HINDI KAYO NANINIWALA NA MAY ANOMALYA SA ZTE DEAL? - KA ELMO
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Sa palagay ko ‘yung mga tumitira kay Mr. Lozada, sila mismo, alam na may anomalya sa ZTE deal. At kaya nila tintitira si Mr. Lozada kasi nasasaktan sila dahil tinatamaan ‘yung kani-kanilang mga idolo. Kapag walang matinong depensa kadalasan ‘yung iba akala nila sa pang-iinsulto e hinde nahahalatang wala silang matinong masabi. Meron d’yan panay ang bintang kay Lozada pero hindi naman makapag-bigay ng liwanag kung ano ‘yung binibintang n’ya. Sa kakabilang ng buhangin sa disyerto tila baga nasulasok na pag-iisip.
Bernie b,
siguro wala ka ng trabaho ngayon dyan kaya ayan nagpabayad ka na kay Lozada, nakikiparte ka na rin sa mga kinurakot ni lozada na dapat sana ay sa mga mahihirap na pinoy, masarap ba ang galing sa kurakot Bernie B? nakakaya mo magpakain mong kainin ang galing sa nakaw Bernie B
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Why don’t you ask your patrons like the evil bitch and her cohorts. Kurakot tanong mo? They are the most corrupt people in the whole world. You don’t make any sense on any of your statements. Now your accusing me of kurakot? Is that your MO? personal attack on everyone that supports jun? Dang, you and the lackeys in the palace are all the same.
Instead of parlaying the problem, you just toe your masters line. And oh yes, wala akong trabaho ngayon BECAUSE IT’S SUNDAY IN THE US you dumb moron.
Do you really read the blogs in here or is your job just to muddle the issues?
Check out KEN KASHI’s entry. He listed it down point by point so retards like you can see the anomalies caused by your so called dona presidente. Can you at least contest any of the said items? I challenge you to debate even one of the points. I know what your gonna say is “hearsay” lang un or you don’t want to waste your precious time to answer.
Ganyan kayo mga tuta ni pandak. Kitang kita na pero nag bubulag bulagan pa rin.
Sorry folks, this is turning out to be personal. My apologies BUT when someone like this idiot includes personal attacks on my person and my family eh ibang usapan na un.
But I promise that I would just ignore people like these and write more about what I feel in regards to what’s going on in the pinas. Again, my apologies. Sorry preng JUN.
And lastly, go LAKERS..we won tonight
Jun, so not be dismayed. Fight the good fight against corruption!!
May “you are what you see” ka pang nalalaman. Why don’t you apply the same saying to yourself? Ang nakikita mo sa administrasyon ay puro masama, you refer to Gloria as the evil one– are you sure you are not referring to yourself? You are what you see nga eh, di ba?
Bernie B stupid,
just relaks, anong trabaho mo dyan sa tate, waiter, kya hanggang dyan nagpapabayad ka to protect jun lozada, thorugh money transfer ba idiot..hehehhe…yan ang hirap sa tao salita ng salita sa kapwa ng masama kapag ibinalik mo sa kanila ang mga sinasabi nila ngumangawa, pareho nga kyo ng amo mo na si jun lozada, iyakin..you Bernie B animal, shut up! hehehhe..
yung isa naman dyan na bobo at tanga na nagpefeeling na may alam, paulit ulit naman ang pagtatanggol kay lozada, tanong ng tanong pauilit ulit naman ang tinatanong, bobo wag mo iligaw ang nagpopost dito sa mga diversionary questions mo…tanga sarili mo lang ang kaya mong tanganhin, heheheh…wag kang manggagalaiti ha, hehehe relaks lang, i think you want to be more impressive sa amo mong si jun lozada para mas malaki ang ibayad nya syo
yo ROD, you don’t have anything to say but insults? well am really not surprised. You don’t have anything to say to defend the people your protecting? how much were you paid? 30 pieces of gold? - BERNIE B
Now your accusing me of kurakot? Is that your MO? personal attack on everyone that supports jun? - BERNIE B
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BERNIE B,
IT SEEMS YOUR STATEMENTS WERE IRRECONCILABLE. get lost stupid hehehe..magpunas ka na lang ng ebak sa puwet ng mga kano dyan para may sideline ka aside from being paid by your KURAKOT gang..hehehe
In any kind of COMPETITION (SPORTS) whether it be boxing, basketball, baseball, football, softball, voleyball etc. there are always rules to follow and the winners in order to be granted such honor must be able to stick to the rules. Any violation of the rules merits a penalty or total disqualification from the game.
Jun Lozada has provided us an arena to compete using our ideas, common sense, use of arguments in favor or against with the common objective of DISCUSSING RELEVANT ISSUES THAT CONCERN THE POLITICAL SITUATION IN THE COUNTRY.
Among the cardinal rules that players should follow is to STAY ON TOPIC AND AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS on each other. These rules can only be followed in my opinion if JUN OR HIS REPRESENTATIVE CAN INTRODUCE ORDER AND BY ENFORCING THE RULES OF THIS FORUM. I humbly suggest that a post submitted should be subjected to whether it follows the rules and meets the criteria of being considered worthy of being printed in this blog. Any post that fails to follow the basic rules of staying on topic and avoiding personal attack should be barred from being published. Bloggers should be given warnings to watch out what they write or face being banned from participating in this blog.
Anybody who cannot follow the rules will obviously be banned and if ever they come back using another name should have learned SOME lessons.
I am sure if Jun and his Staff can only MAINTAIN ORDER BY ENFORCING THE BASIC RULES OF DESCENT DISCUSSION WORTHY OF CIVILIZED PEOPLE, MANY MORE BLOGGERS ESPECIALLY AMONG THE YOUTH WILL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE, NOT ONLY FROM THE PHILIPPINES BUT ALSO FROM ABROAD.
for me the basic principle of a human being is ‘give respect and you will get’. pero hindi ko naman sinasabi na dapat ganun nga, para sakin lang mga igan.
ROD KAYA SIGURO TANONG NG TANONG EH UMIIWAS KAYONG SUMAGOT.. KASE WALA NAMAN TALAGA KAYONG KONGKRETONG PANININDIGAN PARA SA KATOTOHANAN… ROD TANONG KO ULIT? BAKIT AYAW MONG LUMABAS ANG KATOTOHANAN?BAKIT AYAW MONG LUMABAS ANG KATOTOHANAN?BAKIT AYAW MONG LUMABAS ANG KATOTOHANAN?BAKIT AYAW MONG LUMABAS ANG KATOTOHANAN?BAKIT AYAW MONG LUMABAS ANG KATOTOHANAN?BAKIT AYAW MONG LUMABAS ANG KATOTOHANAN?BAKIT AYAW MONG LUMABAS ANG KATOTOHANAN?BAKIT AYAW MONG LUMABAS ANG KATOTOHANAN?BAKIT AYAW MONG LUMABAS ANG KATOTOHANAN? GO LAKERS DIN!!!!
KA ELMO AYAW KO SANANG SAGUTIN ANG TANONG MO KASI MASYADONG ELEMENTARY, PERO ONCE IN FOR ALL PARA SA IYONG KATAHIMIKAN, AT SANA WAG KA NA RIN MAGTANONG AT MAGPILIT:
1. SA TANONG MO KUNG AYAW KO BANG LUMABAS ANG KATOTOHANAN, TINGIN KO HINDI KO NA KAILANGAN SAGUTIN YAN..MASYADONG ELEMENTARY KASI CGURO NAMAN LAHAT NG TAO GUSTO YAN, AT DIYOS ANG NAKAKAKITA SATIN KUNG SINO ANG TUNAY NA NAGTATAGO NG KATOTOHANA.
2. PAANO KO MAKIKITA ANG KATOTOHANAN EH HINDI NGA AKO NANINIWALA KAY JUN LOZADA, SA AKING PANANAW SYA AY KASAMA SA MGA SINDIKATO NA HANGGANG NGAYON AY GUMAGAWA NG KALOKOHAN SA PILIPINAS..ANONG KATOTOHANAN ANG PINAGSASABI MO, KUNG SA TINGIN MO KATOTOHANAN ANG SINASABI NYA, HINDI NAMAN KITA SISITAHIN SA GUSTO MO..SANA KA ELMO NAINITIDIHAN MO, O KAYA NAMAN KUNG DI MO PA RIN NAINRINDIHAN IPABASA MO SA MALIIT MONG ANAK AT PARA MAIPALIWANAG NYA SAYO ANG GUSTO KO SABIHIN.
AT ISA PA HWAG NYONG IPILIT SA IBA NA HAWAK NYO ANG KATOTOHANAN, KASI ANG IBA HINDI GANYAN ANG TINGIN SA STIWASYON.
KA ELMO HINDI KA NA SUMAGOT PINAGALITAN KA BA NG ANAK MO DAHIL PAULIT ULIT KANG MAGTANONG WALA NAMAN LAMAN! NASAKTAN KO MAN ANG IYONG DAMDAMIN KA ELMO PERO YAN ANG KATOTOHANAN NG BUHAY HINDI LAHAT NG GUSTO NATIN AY MAIGIGIIT NATIN SA IBA.
MASAYA NA SANA AKO DITO SA BLOG NA ITO EH KASI ANG MGA GUSTO KAY LOZADA TINITIRA SI GLORIA AT ADMINISTRASYON NYA, AT LEAST HINDI KO NA KAILANGAN GAWIN YUN KASI NANDYAN NA SILA, ANG GAGAWIN KO NA LANG AY ILABAS ANG MGA SA TINGIN KONG BAHO NI LOZADA, ‘INUULIT KO SA TINGIN KO’. KASI FOR ME DAPAT LAHAT NG NANGURAKOT SA BANSA LAHAT SUNUGIN, WALANG ITIRA. MAGMULA KAY ARROYO HANGGANG DITO KAY LOZADA, AT SA PINAKALIITLIITAN NA PARTE NG GOBYERNO. DAPAT GANUN ANG OBJECTIVES HINDI YUNG DAHIL LANG TYO GALIT KAY ARROYO PAPANIG TYO SA ISA PANG KURAKOT. HINDI KO IPINIPILIT ANG GANITONG PANANAW KO SA INYO.. PERO KUNG ANG GUSTO NYO YUNG ISANG KURAKOT LANG AT ETONG KURAKOT DIN NA SI LOZADA AY ITIRA NYO WALA AKONG MAGAGAWA, KASI OPNYON NYO YAN NA KAILANGAN KO IRESPETO.
ANG IKINALULUNGKOT KO LANG DITO SA BLOG NA ITO, ANG DAMING NANGGAGALAITI AT NANGBABASTOS KAPAG MAY SINASABI KANG MASAMA KAY LOZADA..LAHAT TYO GUSTO KATOTOHANAN KYA SANA ANG KAMPIHAN NATIN AY ANG PILIPINAS AT MGA KABABAYAN NATIN NA MALILIIT NA APEKTADO NA MASYADO SA KALIWAT KANANG PANGUNGURAKOT.
isa pa nga pala KA ELMO, go Lakers ka, ako naman go Celtics.
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pasensya ka na ha magkaiba tyo ng gusto.
Kaibigan Rod,
Kung mapapansin mo ay merong paksa na pinag uukulan ang bahaging ito sa blog ni JLO. Napansin ko na ikaw ang kaunaunahang nag post pagkatapos ng pahayag ni Jun at inilantad mo kaagad ang kanilang (allegedly) pag uusap ni Joey tungkol sa kurapsyon na kinasasangkutan n’ya.
Simula nang una mong post ay nasundan pa ng (21) dalawamput isa na wala namang nilalaman kundi atakihin si Jun sampu ng mga bloggers na hindi sumasangayon sa iyo. Napansin ko na halos lahat yata ay nakatikim na ng insulto galing sa iyo.
Payong kapatid lang bro, kung gusto mong irespeto ka ng iba ay dapat lamang ay ipakita mo na may respeto ka sa kanila.
Kaya ko ito sinulat para lamang sa iyo ay dahil meron akong malasakit sa iyo. Sa palagay ko naman ay hindi dapat tayo mang insulto sa bawat isa. Seguro naman ay hindi ka nagigipit dahil ang kasabihan na ang taong nagigipit ay kahit sa patalim ay kumakapit.
Ito ay hindi pagpangaral sa iyo dahil alam ko na ikaw ay mukhang matinong tao at alam mo ang ginagawa mo.
You can say what you want but please refrain from insulting others because when you do that It simply means that YOU HAVE RAN OUT OF AMMUNITIONS!
I hope you don’t take this as an insult to your person and your intelligence. PEACE MAN!
DAMI MO SINABI ROD PERO DI MO SINAGOT KUNG GUSTO MO NG KATOTOHANAN SA ZTE O HINDI.. DI KO TINATANONG KUNG NANINIWALA KA KAY JUN.. ALAM KO HINDI.. PEDE NAKITA IHILERA KINA GMA AT ABALOS.. MGA PAWANG AYAW NG KATOTOHANAN.. KAHIT KELAN DI KO IPINILIT SAYO KUNG ANO ANG OPINION KO… TINATANONG LANG NAMAN KITA.. ..ANG DAMI MO SINABI DUN DIN HUMANTONG ANG SINABI MO.. ANG PAGBATIKOS KAY JUN WHICH IS NAPAKALAYO SA TANONG.. OK HINDI NA KITA PIPILITIN SAGUTIN ANG KATANUNGAN KO.. GUSTO KO LANG IPOST SA PAGKAKATAONG ITO…. “BAKIT AYAW MONG LUMABAS ANG KATOTOHANAN?” SI JUN ANG LUMALABAN PARA SA KATOTOHANAN.. SI ROD ANO BANG IPINAGLALABAN NITO AT NANGGAGALAITE SA GALIT RINE.. HALA MAG WITHDRAW NA AT NAIDEPOSIT NA NG MALACANANG ANG SWELDO MO!!! MAKAKABILI NA NG NFA RICE ANG PAMILYA MO.. AGAHAN HA AT MAHABA PA ANG PILA!!! MAGDALANG ID.. BAWAL ANG BATA SA PILA… 5 KILO LANG ANG PEDE BILHIN OK.. WAWA YUNG IBANG PAMILYA.
MR ABS OF LA,
You can say what you want but please refrain from insulting others because when you do that It simply means that YOU HAVE RAN OUT OF AMMUNITIONS!
I hope you don’t take this as an insult to your person and your intelligence. PEACE MAN!
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GUSTO KO LANG ULITIN SIR, HINDI AKO NANGIINSULTO NG MGA NAGCOCOMMENT DITO UNLESS THEY WILL HEAT ME FIRST.
GAYA NG SINABI KO, SIMPLENG PRINSIPYO LANG:
GIVE RESPECT AND YOU WILL GET
KA ELMO, HINDI KO NA KAILANGAN SAGUTIN ANG TANONG MO, YUNG MGA MATITINO NA LANG ANG MAG JUDGE KUNG TAMA ANG ARGUMENTO MO HEHHEHE.
ANG MAIPAPAYO KO NA LANG SYO AT MAG ARAL KA, CONTINUOS LEARNING PROCESS KA ELMO.
SALUMALYKUM!
SYA NGA PALA ABS OF LA, TIGNAN MO MUNA AT BASAHIN KUNG SINO ANG GUMAWA NG UNANG INSULTING WORDS BAGO MO SABIHIN KUNG SINO ANG NAUNA..
YUN EH KUNG MATINO KA RIN. SA TINGIN KO NAMAN, PWEDE
Pareng Rod,
Hindi ko sinasabi na mali ka. Ang napupuna ko lang ay kung post ni Bernie na inilahad nya ang kanyang personal na opinion tungkol kay GMA. Ang nabasa ko sa iyong sagot ay ang iyong pag susupetsa na sya ay bayaran ni JLO. Kahit naman sino seguro na nakatira at nagtratrabaho dito sa America, kahit tinahugas lang ng puwet ayon sa iyo, ay tatangihan ang ano mang alok ni JLO ng bayad para sya ay ipagtangol.
Una bakit naman mag aalok si JLO ng Piso sa taong kumikita ng Dolyar? Sa aking palagay ay isa itong insulto para sa taong inaalok. Pangalawa saan naman kukuha si JLO ng pangsuhol sa nakatira sa ibang bansa?
Ang hindi mo alam seguro ay yung mga taga ibang bansa ang nagaalok ng tulong na Pinansyal kay JLO para ituloy ang kanyang ipinaglalaban na maisulong ang katotohanan at ating Lipunan.
Ito lamang ang aking obserbasyon at wala kang dapat alalahaning sagutin ito dahil hindi ko alam kung ang alitan ninyo ni Bernie ay mayroon nang nakaraan.
Pareng Rod,
Salamat naman at binigyan mo ng puwang na (puwede) rin akong maging matino katulad mo. Pero hanggang dito na lamang dahil nakalimutan ko na tumingin sa aking relos. Halos alas tres diyes (3:00 am) na nag umaga dito sa LA.
Mabuti na lang dahil wala akong pasok bukas dahil on call ako sa araw ng Lunes sa linggong ito.
I will continue to check out the developments in this blog tomorrow.
Ouch! I must have hit a raw nerve.
The reason why Jun left for HK was to avoid the Senate interrogations. So when Jun informed his boss of his intended return, his boss offered Jun “protection and safety” - meaning to assist him in escaping arrest by the Senate sergeant-at-arms upon his arrival.
The objective of Jun’s escorts was to secure him from possible arrest therefore they had to dissuade him from using his cellphone to divulge their location. They did not take away his cellphone. The security agents were aware that they can be liable for harboring a fugitive and as standard in every security procedure their position and force number must not be exposed.
If I remembered right, Jun claimed that his cellphone was hacked and selected callers’ numbers were deleted from the memory. The hacker must be using a much more sophisticated equipment than the gifts from the U.S.
Jun could have return surreptitiously but he did not. He called up his boss and many other individuals because he was scared, he was still looking for a way out of his predicament – facing the Senate. Perhaps, his boss offered Jun the best choice which turned out later to be next to nothing.
When nothing happens, securities appear to be harmless flies but when untoward incidents occur, the security agents take full charge and not the President. They decide the emergency safety measures and the escape routes, more so when the President is mortally injured.
Unless we no longer believe in professionalism; once a security agent is given an assignment, his main and only duty is to protect the person in his custody regardless of whether that individual is the head of state, a drug lord, or a Jun Lozada. That’s why security forces are ranked much higher than ordinary policemen.
They say everyone has a price, whats your price ROD? a few million bukols? 200? - BERNIE B.
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pareng ABS of LA,
ayan from nowhere, hindi ko naman pinakikialaman kahit anong gusto nyang sabihin, ni hindi ko nga napapansin yan si Bernie B, tapos bigla may message sya na ganyan. hindi naman ako magsasalita sa kanya ng walang dahilan
UULITIN KO PARENG ABS, ANG SIMPLENG PRINSIPYO:
GIVE RESPECT AND YOU WILL GET
ok pareng ABS of LA, ako rin ay mamamaalam muna, may meeting dapat ako kaninang 1pm pero naurong ng 1:30pm dito sa saudi kya nakabalik pa ako…its 1:16pm here now.
best regards,
Rod
HEHEHE SINABI KO NA NGANG WAG SAGUTIN EH… HEHEHE NAGAGALIT KA NGAYON.. HAHAHA PERSONAL PA ANG MGA BANAT PARANG PULANGPULA NA ANG TENGA DAHIL PIKON.. SI ROD NALANG KAYA ANG SUPORTAHAN NATIN AT BAKA NASA KANYA ANG KATOTOHANANG WALA DAW KAY JUN.. WELL DI RIN AKO SURE KUNG TOTOO SINASABI NI JUN.. PERO SIYA YUNG LUMALABAN SA ANOMALYA NA PARTIALLY AY INAMIN NG PRESIDENTE NATIN… PERO ROD HOW SURE ARE YOU NA NAGSISINUNGALING SI JUN.. ANG GALING MONG MANGHUSGA… PARANG FEELING MO MAY ALAM KA SA ZTE SCAM AT NASASABI MONG NAGSISINUNGALING SI JUN.. ANYWAY KUNG HINDI KA MAN BAYARAN NG MALAKANYANG… ITO HULA KO LANG… OFW KA KAMO.. GINAGAWA MO LANG BANG PAMPALIPAS NG ORAS ANG PAGKOKOMENT DITO? PARA DI KA MAHOMESICK? PARA MAS EXCITING EH MANGAASAR KA NANG MANGAASAR.. HABANG MARAMING NAGREREAACT SA COMMENT MO EH TAWA KA NAMAN NG TAWA JAN SA OFFICE MO.. SANA GUMAWA KA NAMAN NG MAKABULUHAN.. KUNG DI MO KAYA PARA SA BAYAN GAWIN MO PARA SA SARILI MO.. ROD WALANG PROBLEMA SA AKIN YANG MGA BANAT MO.. PINAPATAWAD NA KITA DI MO RIN KASE ALAM ANG IYONG GINAGAWA.. GOD BLESS YOU
KA ELMO NANDYAN KA PA PALA, HEHEHE..YUNG MGA SINABI MO BA PARA SA SARILI MO HEHEHE..MAY WORD KANG NANGAASAR, BAKIT NAASAR KA BA? SOBRA KA BANG NAPIPIKON DAHIL TINATAMAAN KA AT TALUNAN KA..
DI AKO MAGTATAKA KUNG MABABAHO ANG MGA SALITANG LUMALABAS SA BUNGANGA MO HEHEHE, KASI GANYAN TALAGA KAPAG GALING SA KURAKOT ANG KINAKAIN, MASANGSANG ANG AMOY NG HININGA…HEHEHHE..
SINO NGA PALANG PINAPATAWAD MO SARILI MO, HEHEHE…NAWAY MAPATAWAD MO NGA ANG SARILI MO SA ASAL MO HEHEHEH…..GOD BLESS YOU
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HEHEHE KUNYARI COOL PA RIN ANG DATING… HAHHAHA PIKON NA PIKON SI PARENG ROD.. TSAKA ANONG MABABAHO ANG SINABI KO? MAY SINABI BA AKONG “TAE” , “IMBURNAL” “KUBETA”, “KANAL” , “ESTERO”.. HAHAHA… COOL LANG ROD.. TAMA NGA SIGURO HULA KO.. NANANADYA KA LANG MAGCOMMENT NG PABALANG PARA MAY PAGLIBANGAN KA SA OFFICE… DI KO NA MAGAWANG MAGALIT SA MGA TIRADA MO.. NAAWA NA LANG AKO SAYO.. INUULIT KO PINAPATAWAD ULIT KITA SA MGA PANGAALIPUSTA MO.. GOD BLESS YOU JUN.. GOD BLESS YOU ROD
KA ELMO ALAM MO NATATAWA NGA LANG AKO SYO EH, TAMA KA PINAGTATAWANAN KO LANG DITO SA OPISINA KO YUNG MGA KAGAYA MO HEHEHE..AKO NGA ANG NAAWA SYO KASI BAKA SA SOBRANG PANGGAGALAITI MO SA MGA GALIT SA AMO MO AY ATEKEHIN KA SA PUSO, WAG NAMAN SANA.. KA ELMO WAG KA MAG ALALA MAHIRAP AKONG MAPIKON LALO NA KUNG KAGAYA MO NA TINGIN KO DI NAKAPAG ARAL HEHEHE…KASI NAKAKAUMAY ANG MGA LUMALABAS SA BUNGANGA MO HHEHEHE…WAG KA MAPIKON KA ELMO HA BAKA TUMAAS ANG ALTA-PRESYON MO KASALANAN KO PA..BASTA KUNG MAGKANO MAN ANG BINABAYAD SAYO NI LOZADA PARA IPAGTANGGOL MO SYA, PAGKASYAHIN MO NA LANG, IKAW KASI PINAG AARAL KA CGURO DATI KUNG ANO ANO ANG INATUPAG MO, TULOY NGAYON GANYAN NA LANG ANG TRABAHO MO MAKIHATI SA KINURAKOT NG AMO HEHEHEHE..RELAKS LANG KA ELMO HA PARANG NAKIKITA KO NA HALOS PARANG MAPAPATID NA ANG UGAT MO SA GALIT , HEHEHEH RELAKS LANG
SIR JUN WAG TALAGA PO KAYONG SUSUKO.. DAHIL ANO NA ANG MANGYAYARI SA ZTE DEAL SCAM ? BURA BURA NA LANG BA? WALA BANG MAPAPARUSAHAN? GANUN GANUN NA LANG BA? WALANG KASO ANG MAGNAKAW ANG MATATAAS NA OPISYAL BASTA MAGALING KALANG MAG COVER UP NG MGA EBIDENSIYA.. KAHIT UMAMIN NA WALA PA RIN MAPAPARUSAHAN.. SA MGA DETRACTORS MO… KALIWALI NA LANG… ROD NASA SAUDI KA KAMO.. PLS TRANSLATE KALIWALI… FYI ANDITO RIN AKO SA MIDDLE EAST.
Ka Elmo, hahahhaha, kakatawa ka talaga, sabi ko syo relaks ka lang, baka atekehin ka sa puso..eh ano ngayon kung nandito ka sa middle east anong pakialam ko syo KA ELMO.
HEHEHHE, LUMABAS NA PO MGA KABABAYAN ANG TUNAY NA PIKON. RELAKS AHLEN
MAHIRAP DIN AKO MAPIKON ROD.. TSAKA MARUNONG DIN AKONG MAKAHALATA NG MGA TAONG PIKON NA, TAPOS STILL PRETENDING TO BE COOL…KITA NAMAN SA MGA BANAT KUNG SINO ANG KOOL AT SINO ANG PIKON… PAARING MAS MATALINO KA SA AKIN PERO MAS PIKON KA TIN KESA SA AKIN HEHEHE… KUNG SAYO LANG AKO MAPIPIKON EH PARANG HINAMAK KO LANG ANG SARILI KO..
KA ELMO, parang wordings ko yun ha ginagaya mo pa, pati ba naman dun hehehhe, kakatawa ka talaga..pati nga pala sa sinasabi mong itranslate, alam mo kung dito nga sa opisina inuutusan ko ang mga arabo, tapos uutusan mo ako, pwede sana kung marunong ka rumespeto susundin kita, kasi yung mga janitor dito na ITIK sobrang loyalty nila sakin kasi kahit ganun sila nirerespeto ko sila at ang pagkatao nila.
PERO SA MGA BASTOS MASANAY NA SILA NA MABASTOS NG AS HIGIT PA…KASI KUNG ANO ANG TINANIM MO SA KAPWA MO YUN DIN ANG AANIHIN MO…HEHEHEHHE KA ELMO MALAYONG MALAYO ANG SA KABIHASNAN ANG MGA SINASABI MO NA MAPIPIKON AKO SYO..NATATAWA PWEDE PA
yung jonas nga pala ang pangalan di ko na pag aaksayahin sagutin kasi alam kong palamunin lang sya ni lozada, at walang saysay ang pagkatao nyo..embicile ka.hehhehe - ROD
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Sana mapatunayan mo ang sinasabi mo sa itaas para hindi ka paghinalaang asong ulol sa blog ni Lozada. Aba, kung nambibintang ka ng hindi mo kayang suportahan mas masahol ka sa isang inutil na sawa.
“You are what you see”
Observation ko lang in connection sa title ng post at sa mga comments.
You can see the person who you are in his comments and how he handles the issue.
You can see the person who you are in his willingness to join a constructive discussion.
You can see the person who you are in his comments/ attack to other outside of the issue.
You can see who are the “maginun” in thier comments.
As salam alaikom.
caught on text messages!!!!!!
gloria:cguraduhin yung budget para sa mga blog writers ni Lozada,lalu na si rod hes been consistent with all my instructions…….
xburger:yes mam budget is alloted to them,their doing their best to bring that blog down.
gloria:salamat kung ganon…
Ka Elmo at Pareng Rod,
Akoy naaaliw sa inyong dalawa. Para kayong aso’t pusa na hindi mapakali pag hindi nakaka tama sa isa’t isa. Sabagay itong palitan ninyong dalawa ay maihahambing natin sa alitan ng mga fans ni Nora at ni Vilma nung mga nakaraan. Kaya merong tinawag na Noranians at merong namang Vilmanians.
Pwera biro, I can sense that both of you have the potential of leading our kababayans in the Middle East to fight corruption in our government. I agree with pareng Rod that we should not only zero in on GMA and her cohorts but concentrate on everone involved in the proliferation of corruption in the government.
We should work together towards opening a door for a THIRD CHOICE FOR OUR PEOPLE. This third choice was clearly demonstrated by our KABALENS FROM THE PROVINCE OF PAMPANGA. KNOWING FULLY WELL THAT RELYING ON TRADITIONAL POLITICIANS WILL BRING THE SAME PROGRAM OF KKK (KANYA KANYANG KURAKOT), THEY BANDED THEMSELVES TOGETHER BY SUPPORTING AMONG ED AGAINST THE FORCES OF TWO SEASONED POLITICIANS, BOTH WITH VAST FINANCIAL RESOURCES AND POLITICAL MACHINERY.
I consider this HISTORIC EVENT A VICTORY OF THE PEOPLE AGAINST ALL ODDS. WHAT IS THE SECRET INGREDIENT? THE PEOPLE TOOK THEIR FUTURE INTO THEIR HANDS OVERCOMING EVERY OBSTACLE THAT CAME ALONG THEIR WAY.
NOW KAPAMPANGANS CAN CLEARLY CALL THEIR PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT AS THAT OF THE PEOPLE…BY THE PEPOPLE….AND FOR THE PEOPLE.
I HOPE THAT BOTH OF YOU KA ELMO AND PARENG ROD, CAN SIT TOGETHER OVER SOME BOTTLES OF SAN MIGUEL BEER TO DISCUSS HOW YOU CAN PULL YOUR TALENTS AND RESOURCES TOGETHER SO THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE WE CAN SEE A PHILIPPINE GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE…BY THE PEOPLE….AND FOR THE FILIPINO PEOPLE.
I am sure we here in North America will learned a lot from you. Good Luck and MAY THE FORCE BE WITH BOTH OF YOU!
DONT BE AFRAID SIR JUN L. LIKE YOU, WE ARE A PEOPLE IN SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH.
WE HAVE GOD, OUR SHEPHERD TO LEAD US IN ALL THIS FIGHT.
IN THE END WE WILL EMERGE VICTORIOUS IN GOD’S HOLY NAME!!
The Lord is my shepherd I shall not want. [2]He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters [3]He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake [4]Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. [5]Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemes; thou annointest my headwith oil; my cup runneth over [6] Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life. and I will dwell in the house of The Lord forever.
GOD BLESS THE FILIPINO PEOPLE!!
Ilan kayang boto sa 2010 ang makukuha ni Jun Lozada rito? Pinakamalaki na siguro yung lima at puro kamaganak pa ni Crying Boy. Bwahahahaha!
# kagitingang batangas — June 17, 2008 #
caught on text messages!!!!!!
gloria:cguraduhin yung budget para sa mga blog writers ni Lozada,lalu na si rod hes been consistent with all my instructions…….
xburger:yes mam budget is alloted to them,their doing their best to bring that blog down.
gloria:salamat kung ganon…
—–ITO AY SINULAT NG ISA RAW MAGITING. NAKAKAHIYA KA SA MGA TAGA BATANGAS.
ANG MGA BATANGUENO HINDI KATULAD MO NA SUMISIPSIP SA SINUNGALING.
Hehehehehe. Hindi pa yata nasasagot ni Jun itong pinost ni Rod. Maipost nga uli:
# ROD — June 12, 2008 #
I suggest that we keep our discussion to a decent level and not go down to the level of the gutter, I’m sure those who are so used to living in the gutters will resist for they have gotten used to living like rats. - JUN LOZADA
CONVERSATION OF JOEY & JUN.
· Joey (allegedly, Joey de Venecia): Hey Jun.
· Jun (allegedly, Jun Lozada): Hey Joey.
· Joey: Jun, can you hear me?
· Jun: Yeah. Go ahead.
· Joey: Yeah, where do you put Chair (Abalos)? Ang formula ko doon is kuha ako ng points dun sa… sa… dun sa 130.
· Jun: Uh-huh…
· Joey: Di ba? Kasi saan ko pa kukunin di ba? (laughs) Itong mga gago… Kaya lang pare, we need to … we need to get some…all… at least from… something from Ben (Abalos), di ba?
· Jun: Yeah.. from both sides. P*tangina…
· Joey: ‘Tong si Ben, pare.. start from the thing.. Because he’s the gatekeeper of the votes. P*ta…. free ride… I can understand, but not that amount.
· Jun: Oh yeah. that’s too big, right. That’s too big.
· Joey: Pare, let’s develop a plan to talk to him.
· Jun: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So…
· Joey: And you know what he told me, between you and I. When we were in Hong Kong… in Shenzhen. Don’t quote me ha. Sabi niya kasi, marami akong… Tinanong ko bakit ba ang laki-laki? Singkwenta.. Sabi niya marami ako kelangang bigyan. Pati yung NEDA. He said the word NEDA ha. P*tangina. For your information pare.
· Jun: Information? I would understand that… He’d like to look at…
· Joey: Maybe, wait, maybe you can quote me and say, sabi ni Joey meron daw… sabi mo sa kanya may NEDA dun. (laughs) Di ba? He told me pare. (laughs)
· Jun: Sige, sige…
· Joey: P*tangina, kaya lang baka magwala na naman yung… (laughs)
· Jun: For some reason, I have this chemistry with him. Sabi ko Chair… In fact, sabi niya, Jun, ikaw na mag-referee bukas ha. Sabi niya, I want you to be there. Ikaw na mag-referee, ikaw na magsabi kung papaano. Sige po Sir, ako na ang mag-aano sa ano… (laughs)
· Joey: Well anyway, so that’s where I’m looking at right now. .. ought to get you.. And then, uh, think of a strategy for Ben, and if you need me to back you up, I’ll be there.
· Jun: Hey Joey, ok, regarding this Chinese embassy thing. I think I struck a motherload no? I’ll put them in Roxas Boulevard. P*tangina, di ba?
· Joey: In the Reclamation?
· Jun: No, p*tangina, that’s… that’s not prime. We’ll put them in the CCP complex.
· Joey: Yup, got it.
· Jun: P*tangina. That’s yeah, wala.. I can swing that goddamn agreement.
· Joey: You mean, owned by the Central Bank?
· Jun: Yeah! Can you imagine? P*tangina, same stature as the American embassy, better pa, di ba? The Japanese Embassy is in Roxas Boulevard. The American embassy is there. So p*ta, it’s just right that we put the Chinese embassy right in the midst of it all, di ba?
· Joey: Yes, yes, of course. They’re a player, that’s perfect.
· Jun: … don’t mention my name. I think he knows me well.
· Joey: Gaano kalaki, pare?
· Jun: P*tangina, as much as 15 hectares. (laughs)
· Joey: P*tangina. Tapos siguro kumuha rin tayo dun. Kaya lang we need Ben’s (?) finances.
· Jun: No, no, no, no. P*tangina. I cannot just tell you all the things that I’ve been asked to do. But that one I think, I can swing for ourselves.
· Joey: Ok I’ll talk to the guy…
· Jun: Talk to him right away.
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KINDLY RECONCILE YOUR STATEMENTS MR. JUN LOZADA!
Maniniwala ako syo kung isosoli mo rin ang mga milyon milyon ninakaw mo na inamin mo.
# bernadette — June 12, 2008 #
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Hey, Jun! — pakisagot nga ito.
panggalatok pokpok!!
ano ga namang ipagmamalaki mo sa aming batangueno al ey wala naman!!!!!alin si gloria???pweee mo?
ka elmo pakiusap po wag na kayo makipagtalo kay rod sa ibang isyu na kasi napupunta ang dapat ay sa makabuluhang kurokuro tungkol sa katotohanan. ganyan lang talaga si rod pero alam ko hindi sarado ang isip nya wala lang syang magawa kasi dyan sya kumikita. balik na lang tayo sa isyu para makinabang naman ang ating mga kababayan. pag pumatol ka kasi sa kanya eh di para ka na ring bumaba sa level nya, tama po ba ka elmo?
Kharry : That is a good synopsis. We may have differences in our adaptation of what has transpired, especially Jun’s kidnapping. However, we are now doing what the blog is all about. Exchange of ideas and justification of each and everyone’s opinion, as what this thread implies YOU ARE WHAT YOU SEE. I see a good blogger in you right now, because, from what you have posted, I had to go back to I had posted and have a Second look, placing your comments in lieu of mine, then re-analyze.
Anyways, If am not mistaken, Joey’s AHI Holdings made the first proposal for the project, I think even ahead of AMRESCOM (US Firm), then Ben joined the competition, basing his project from an item he got from a Tabloid (TONIGHT or ABANTE) if I am not mistaken.
Ben who was retiring was owed by the ARROYOS for services rendered. Reason he called FG with JUN at his side and blurted ” Kung ganyan kayo kausap, ayaw ko na kayong kausapin, kalimutan na natin yung pinagusapan natin…..” or something to that effect..
NON IMMIGRATION STAMP : Could also have been : Jun arrives in Manila, albeit in TRANSIT, to take connecting flight to anywhere, perhaps, Continetal to Guam, Lufthansa to Frankfurt, Thai Airways to Bangkok then onwards similarly Singapore Airlines to Singapore, then onwards. Remember that Mr Gaite gave Jun PHP500,000.00 which was given to his brother, a day or Two, before Jun arrived. Could it be also, that the PHP500K was intended to be handed to Jun during his transit for his expenses when he departs for the Third country. I think this would make sense, they can not transfer the PHP500,000.00 due to paper trail, hence, has to be given personally. It could be the reason for Jun’s family being at the airport. But somehow this plan was aborted, and Jun had to be taken for a ride instead. Or it could also be a ruse for Jun to arrive Manila, thinking that he has onward flight after getting the cash, unknownst to him, he would be taken out. I forgot to mention, KLM has flight as well that bight to Amsterdam.
Jun had to continually update Lito Atienza, being his boss, on any development. Which is why, Lito arranged for staff to get Jun as he disembarks from the plane.
Alas, all we could is speculate. But at least our minds and perceptions are being shaken, giving us a moment to have a look at other possibilities. Out fo the Box, as the saying goes.
Looking forward to more interesting posts!
PANGALATOK 1 : You pasted : (17TH JUNE POSTING)
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KINDLY RECONCILE YOUR STATEMENTS MR. JUN LOZADA!
Maniniwala ako syo kung isosoli mo rin ang mga milyon milyon ninakaw mo na inamin mo.
# bernadette — June 12, 2008 #
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Hey, Jun! — pakisagot nga ito.”
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I looked into the above June 12 posts and I do not think that BERNADETTE posted it. YOU ARE EDITING WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE POSTING.
Reason I got curious, was that, I have read the postings, and came across (12th June Posts) by both Rod and Bernadette.
Please refrain from editting what has been posted, to falsely show what other people think.
Thanks.
Kharry : Security personnel aware that they could be held liable for harboring a fugitive.
The above statement should apply to anyone, including ATIENZA, ATUTUBO, RAZON, MASCARINAS among otehrs. If that is the case, then all those involved in getting Jun from the airplane should be charged with HARBORING a fugitive. What do you think?
Bernie B.: Yes, sir, Filipinos go aborad to hopefully uplift the quality of life for their families, especially the children. I just hope and Pray that sooner, rather than later, our politicos realize that they are doing a disservice to their contituents, Filipinos would be able to go abroad, NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO, BUT BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO.. leisure or as high quality expats. Most of the Filipinos working abroad are on “HAVE TO” Basis. Suire hope that it could be another reason.
ABS of LA : as a rejoinder to your posting (FOR KA ELMO & ROD). Middle East has MIGRANTE, which they could also coordinate with. I think it is headed by John based in Qatar. I could provide webpage if you are interested.
ABS, you are correct (yet again), let us not limit ourselves to ZTE-NBN but the whole encilada on the anomalies of the government, not just with ARROYO, but with the future Head of State and the branches of the State as well.
In the meantime, let’s tackle the issues besetting us presently, but maintaining vigilance all thoughout.
WALANG MAITUTULONG SA BANSA ANG BLOG NA ITO. WALA NAMAN TUNAY NA MAKAPILIPINO, MAKABAYAN, MAKAMAHIRAP NGAYON. LAHAT PANAY PANSARILI KAYA WAG NINYONG LOKOHIN ANG SARILI NATIN AT NINYO. PERSONAL KAPAKANAN LANG ITO NI JUN IN AID OF POPULARITTY FOR SENATORIAL ELECTION.
ILAN LANG NAMAN ANG NAGPAPALITAN NG TALINO DITO NAPAPANSIN KO AT DI NAMAN KAYO PAPANSINI NG MGA TALGANG NAGHAHANAPBUHAY PARA SA IKABUBUTI NG PAMILYA NILA. IYONG MGA GALIT KAY GMA AY MGA CORRUPT DIN . IKA NGA GALIT ANG MAGNANAKAW SA KAPWA NIYA MAGNANAKAW. DI BA JUN GANYAN KA DIN NOONG NAKAUPO KA MAY GINAWA KA BA PARA SA BAYAN. INUNA MO LANG SARILI MO.
NAGKAONSEHAN LANG NAMAN ANG NNGYARI DI BA.
GMA AT OPPOSITION PAREHAS LANG KAYO. NGAYON MAS GARAPAL SIYEMPRE YUNG NAKAUPO PERO PAG KAYO UMUPO MAS GARAPAL DIN KAYO. THAT IS HISTORY KAYA DI MAGBABAGO DAHIL WALA NAMAN NABAGO SA ATIN AT SA MGA KABATAAN EVEN FOR THE NEXT DECADE.
pilosopotasyo — June 17, 2008 #
pag pumatol ka kasi sa kanya eh di para ka na ring bumaba sa level nya, tama po ba ka elmo?
TAMA PO. WALA NAMAN PROBLEMA YUN KAHIT PA NASA IBABANG LEVEL PA AKO NI ROD.. THANKS DIN SA PAGPAPAALALA NA HINDI NA RIN MAKABULUHAN ANG GINAGAWA KONG PAGPATOL KAY ROD.. PEACE NA LANG ROD.. SABIHIN MO NANG NAPIKON AKO O NAPIKON KA PERO WALANG AAMIN SA ATIN… OKAY NA RIN KASE MGA TATLO O APAT NA POST EH NAPABALING SA AKIN ANG PAGTIRA NI ROD AT NABAWASAN ANG TIRADA NIYA KAY SIR JUN..
“Ano ba yan, bago na namang pakulo. Rally every afternoon, yan ba ang BAYANI? Naku naman, pang gugulo na naman yan sa Gobyerno. Imbes na tumulong sa kasalukuyang mga problema, nakadadagdag pa.
Nakiisa pa kay Manay De Venecia, hay ang tao nga naman, bahala na kayo humusga!”
Sang-ayon ako sa iyo buhawi, walang maidudulot na maganda sa ating ekonomiya ang rally na yan tuwing hapon, perwisyo pa!
Transcript of Statement of Rodolfo Lozada Jr. (NBN- ZTE DEAL)
2 a.m. Press Conference February 7, 2008, La Salle Greenhills
…I was taken from the airport, there was, I guess there was just a miscommunication because I did not know I was to be taken from the tube. So, ah… I was taken from a tube, I was not prepared for that. So from there I did not know the route yet. They took me from the tube.
I guess that’s were all the confusion started and I texted my brother that I was already taken by a group from the tube. When I told them that I need to show myself first so that those who were waiting for me will not be alarmed, they said that it’s already been taken care of. So I was, I just had to go with them and we, I was driven around.
I guess, for me, it was really a result of miscommunication between the groups who were supposed to pick me up and towards the end of the night, they felt that there’s so much noise from the media already that I have to be brought back to the family, to my wife in particular.
That my wife is already staying here at the Brother’s house, so I asked the group who took me to just bring me back to the Brother’s house to La Salle Greenhills, so that’s why I’m here.
Okay. So, first I drafted my [statement] via my own writing… I like to start by thanking a lot of people expressed their sincere sympathy for the family so I like to thank them first. There’s so many of them. Sa Tagalog, nagpapasalamat po ako sa lahat ng nagpahayag ng kanilang pag-aalala sa akin at sa sampu ng aking pamilya. Ako po ay nagtawag sa pagupuplong na ito upang mabigyan ng liwanag…
Ang dami kasing katanungan ng bayan ukol sa (national broadband network) NBN-ZTE na ito at upang huwag na sanang mapilitan pa ang iba, marami nang napipilitan pang magsinungaling dahil sa akin. Hindi naman sila kasama rito, napipilitan pa silang magsinungaling. Ayaw kong maging dahilan na magkaroon pa na magkasala sa Diyos at sa bayan kahit sinuman. Ayoko ho iyon.
Mabigat po sa aking damdamin ito at sa isipan itong aking gagawin ngunit kailangan kong gawin ito para sa kaunawaan, para magkaliwanag na ang mga isipan ng bayan tungkol sa mga bagay na ito na lubhang nakakaapekto sa kinabukasan nila.
Ang aking mga ilalahad na salaysay ngayon ukol sa ZTE-NBN ay iyong mga bagay na iyong ako ay may personal na ginampanan. These are the things that I’m involved with and I’m going to say this with malice on no one.
Wala ho akong malisya sa kahit ninuman bagkus ang sasabihin ko ay kung ano lang iyong ginawa talaga namin at anong nangyari. So iyan lang po ang ano ko, opening statement.
From my recollection of events, I start off.
Andres 17:
You are missing the point in this exercise. Ang pakay ng blog na ito, ay upang imulat muli sa ating lahat na mga Filipino, dapat ay patas and pamamalakad ng gobyerno.
Ang gobyreno ay hindi negosyo ng kung sino ang nakaupo ay dapat kumita sila at ang kanilang pamilya at kamag-anakan. Dapat and Gobyerno ay kumita para sa ikabubuti ng mamamayan at bansa.
Ang iyong panukala ay nagsasaad ng pagtitiis kung anong ambon ang ibigay ng mga politiko sa ati. Gayung and dapat na ibigay sa mga mamamayan sa di-hamak na MAS MALAKI pa dapat. Bakit ka magiging kuntento sa maliit na ibibigay sa iyo, kung ang mararapat na ibinigay sa iyo ay dapat mas malaki. Ihalintulad natin sa mga ordinaryong serbisyo, gaya ng Pagamutan, Edukasyon, Pension, Pagkain.
Andres, sa mga korapsyon na ginawa ng gobyerno, malaki na dapat ang ini-angat sa mga serbisyo na ito, kung tama lang ang pamamalakad ng pamahalaan.
Pagkandidato ni Lozada. Hindi ako naniniwala na siya magiging kandidato sa ano mang posisyon sa gobyerno.
Andres, sana ay mamulat at lumawak ang iyong pag issip, at maintindihan na mga ganitong blog ay pagsasama-sama at pagtutunggali ng mga ideya, upang ang karamihan kung hindi kaya na ang kalahatan, ay magising ant mamulat sa katotohanan.
The first time I was introduced to this project by Secretary Neri with an introduction to Chairman Benjamin Abalos. I guess if it was not late September or early October, I was introduced by Secretary Neri to [Commission on Elections] Chairman Benjamin Abalos in Wack-Wack [Golf and Country Club] together with his usual entourage sina Ruben Reyes, Leo San Miguel, and the ZTE representatives Yu Yong and Fan Yang… and we had lunch in Wack-Wack, wherein we talked about the NBN-ZTE, and the good secretary asked me to help him out understand what this whole project is all about.. okay, so that was the first.. if I remember right, the secretary told Chairman Abalos to course his project proposal through the proper channels.. NEDA (National Economic Development Authority) received the first copy sometime in October, of the first version of the CICT (Commission on Information and Communications Technology) feasibility study.. it was prepared by ZTE, of course CICT. It was signed by the then secretary.. all questions were referred back to Asec (Assistant Secretary Lorenzo) Formoso..
When the secretary game me a copy to review, the first thing that really caught my attention when I was reviewing the financials was the financial projection were based on Abante Tonite September 20, 2006 issue wherein they were quoting how much government was spending for telecom expenses.. so I found it funny then that a multi-billion peso project was based on a data reference from a tabloid. so anyway, that was what I remembered..
So, I told the Abalos group through their guy Leo San Miguel that they should revise their proposal, they should fix it and try to avoid the education part of it because there was a CyberEducation project.. so it was sometiome in early November that Joey (Jose de Venecia III) was introduced to me by Secretary Neri because Joey presented project proposal for the NBN, and the secretary asked me if it was appropriate and I said yes so he encouraged Joey to pursue the project development further.. and when the secretary asked me if there was a synergy between the two projects and I said yes. But both of them were pitching for the same project. so the secretary told me to reconcile the two proponents. and at that point it was really a good project..
The first time I was introduced to this project by Secretary Neri with an introduction to Chairman Benjamin Abalos. I guess if it was not late September or early October, I was introduced by Secretary Neri to [Commission on Elections] Chairman Benjamin Abalos in Wack-Wack [Golf and Country Club] together with his usual entourage sina Ruben Reyes, Leo San Miguel, and the ZTE representatives Yu Yong and Fan Yang… and we had lunch in Wack-Wack, wherein we talked about the NBN-ZTE, and the good secretary asked me to help him out understand what this whole project is all about.. okay, so that was the first.. if I remember right, the secretary told Chairman Abalos to course his project proposal through the proper channels.. NEDA (National Economic Development Authority) received the first copy sometime in October, of the first version of the CICT (Commission on Information and Communications Technology) feasibility study.. it was prepared by ZTE, of course CICT. It was signed by the then secretary.. all questions were referred back to Asec (Assistant Secretary Lorenzo) Formoso..
When the secretary game me a copy to review, the first thing that really caught my attention when I was reviewing the financials was the financial projection were based on Abante Tonite September 20, 2006 issue wherein they were quoting how much government was spending for telecom expenses.. so I found it funny then that a multi-billion peso project was based on a data reference from a tabloid. so anyway, that was what I remembered..
And at that point when the secretary told me to reconcile the two proponents, I immediately went to work and proposed a structure for the two proponents wherein both of them can achieve both of their objectives. since Joey’s objective was to do a BOT (Build-Operate-Transfer) with government, which was completely above-board, and Chairman Abalos’s objective was to do a project on a loan basis.. so the project structure I proposed was that Joey becomes the lead contracting party to government because it’s on a BOT basis anyway, and that Abalos achieved his objective of supplying, becomes a supplier to Joey’s project…
So I thought at that point this was already a win-win situation for everyone involved. The government gets its NBN project, Joey gets his BOT project, and Ben Abalos gets his supply contract.. so at that point I left them already to do their own thing. its finished.
But I guess the trouble started when Chairman Abalos wanted to protect his $130 million… how shall I put this commission on the project.. dapat daw proteksyonan yung 130 million, and he’ll agree that Joey will become the main proponent.. at that point I just felt na being like a consultant to the proejct I told them that it might be a little too big..in the vernacular, sabi ko bubukol po ito, at sabi ko siguro kalahati pupuwede, but nonetheless, I relayed the information to Joey. because it’s going to be Joey’s project anyway.
And then Joey, his reaction, reaction was like really ballistic. He’s worried where, saan niya kukunin ang 130 million na ito.. because the project cost is 262 million dollars and Abalos wanted 130 million dollar na commission.. so sabi ko sa kanila hindi ko problema iyan, that’s your problem sabi ko kina Joey.
So at that point, I don’t know if the listener can realize how much money na pinag-uusapan, these are millions of dollars.. at that point I was telling them problema niyo na ito, basta you make sure you get this thing together because we do not want another Atong Ang - Chavit Singson scandal to rock this country.
Sabi ko basta it’s very clear, both of you can be.. basta iyong maayos lang.. sometime in December, the ZTE reps si Yu Yong at Fan Yan.. became quite close to me along the progress of the work, was already geting frantic, talking to me about develoment in the project because they already given enough advances daw to Chairman Abalos. So sabi ko sa kanila the project is moving along so they should not be alarmed.. it was also at this point because of Joey’s hesitance to agree on the 130 million dollar commission, Chairman Abalos started considering doing the proejct on his own.
Didiretso na siya. ang sabi ko ho sa kanya, sir hindi po puwede na didiretso kayo kasi ang kabilin-bilinan sa akin ni Secretary Neri, na iyon din ang utos ‘ata ng presidente na this project can only be done through a BOT basis, hindi puwedeng utang.. so I was standing firm on that, na hindi talaga pupuwede.
At that point, that was the time that Chairman Abalos, halika tawagan natin si FG (First Gentleman Miguel “Mike” Arroyo). Tinawagan niya, sabi niya pare nandito ang taga-NEDA sa katabi ko hindi daw puwedeng iutang ang project ko.. I cannot hear the voice on other end, pero sabi niya, kung ganyan kayo kausap.. and then the Chairman continued, kung ganyan kayong kausap ang hirap niyo palang kausap. kalimutan niyo na lahat ng usapan natin….
I don’t know what that meant.. but the following day, totoo nga a letter from the Chinese ambassador came adressed to the government (I don’t know if it was still Mike) and stating that, this was already December, you can check this na lang sa record.. because im just doing this through my own recollections. wala ho akong kaanu-ano sa mga records sa mga dokumento. But if you can check sometime December, a letter addressed to Mike ‘ata came in from the Chinese ambassador saying that there is now money available for loan for the NBN project independent of the CyberEducation project.. kasi ang CyberEducation iyon ang napag-agreehan na ilo-loan nga.. so ngayon, there’s another loan na naman, puwede na rin iyong NBN I-loan.. so that was sometiome early December if I’m not mistaken…
So I told the secretary about it, si Secretary Neri.. and his instruction to me was very clear, sabi niya “Jun, you moderate their greed.” I was naive to accept that order. So I do not know what moderating greed means.
But I followed Secretary Neri. and due to the insistence ng mga taga-ZTE that the proejct gets going, Chairman Abalos invited us sometime towards third week of December, I’m pretty sure of the timing, for a dinner in Makati Shangri-La.. he asked me to invite Joey as well kasi si FG will be there with us. actually the First Gentleman did not say much, except that Chairman Abalos told him that pare OK na kami nina Joey. okay na kami sa NEDA. “Ah ganun, so buti naman OK na. OK na.”
So I’m just narrating to you as it is as I said with no malice intended whatever that means kayo na po ang bahalang mag-ano..
So and then off they went to China, I did not join them anymore, so I guess Joey can fill in what happened in China.
So sometime early January naman, so Secretary Neri again invited us for lunch with Abalos in Makati Shangri-La in the Chinese restaurant together with Yu Yong, Fan Yan of ZTE and the Chinese commercial counselor.
At that point the Chairman [Abalos] again was making the impression that the project is already a go. Maybe there was a parralel track because from our end it was not yet a go. So, there was some negative reaction from the ZTE person and the secretary noticed some awkward moments there and he immediately asked [for] a leave. He said he has to go and then he asked me to stay behind.
When they came back to the room Chairman Abalos and the ZTE guys were in furious exchange of words. because the ZTE people were like demanding from Chairman Abalos that he promised that the ZTE deal will be done on a loan project ala-the NorthRail.
I don’t know what’s their pick about the NorthRail. They keep on mentining ala-NorthRail loan agreement. That was the last meeting I had with the Chairman and on January 18, I remember the date
very well.. this is the only date that I can remember. because this is the date I quit the project. I gave said bye to the project.. I was then in Dumaguete in Negros together with Henry Teves, when Chairman Abalos called me up, it was some like early evening. and asked me questions like - Alam ba ni Neri ang ginagawa mo? I said opo. Alam ba ni Neri ang ginagawa mo? Opo. Alam mo bang malapit ako sa militar? Opo. Alam mong malapit ako sa intelligence? Opo. Alam mo bang malapit ako? Opo.
And then he started cursing, mura siya ng mura in Tagalog, lahat-lahat.. ang ano niya nandito sa akin ang CD ng lahat ng phone conversation ninyo nina Joey.. ‘yan mga hayop kayo tinatraydor ninyo ako… I don’t know what gave him that impression but I know that the MIG-17 (Military Intelligence Group 17) in ISAFP (Intelligence Service Armed Forces of the Philippines) can do that, which Chairman Abalos, Ruben Reyes was pretty close to. I was not surprised. So, I just took it with a grin and then Chairman Abalos ended up his tirade with me with his words na “Huwag kang magpapakita sa aking hayop ka sa Wack-Wack o sa Mandaluyong at ipapapatay kita..”
So that’s where all my troubles started.
So I quit the project, I told the secretary I don’t think this project is worth risking my life for. All I did was try to help the good secrtary to understand this.
So on February ‘07, an executive order (EO) was issued.. so this is now just to complete where my personal participation ended and where it ended.. on the project progress. In February ‘07 an EO was issued by the Office of the President… transferring the TELOF (Telecommunications Office) to the implementing agency to DOTC (Department of Transportation and Communcations) and on April, I guess everyone knows this already the NBN project was approved by the joint-NEDA ICC (Investment Coordinating Committee) and (CABCOM).. at P329 million …
When I quit the project, the project cost was 262 million dollars, when it was approved.. I don’t know what happened then.. I’m not imputiong anything now. But when it was approved it was already approved at 329 million dollars. And the day after it was approved, the president together with some of officials went to China to witness the signing of the agrement.. so I guess that’s were all my narration of the events of the ZTE would end.
I just have one statement lang in Tagalog.
This project for me is just one transactional example of a dysfuntional government procurement, like a systemic dysfunction of how we procure projects.. there are other more that have escaped scrutiny, but ganoon din ang sistema..
I have agonized over this decision, both sides know, like many people who had been trying to get me to speak, no (one) knew that I dont want to speak along partisan lines. I do not want this statement to be taken as a partisan political exercise.. I just want to give this to the country.. I’ve suffered long enough, agonizing over this. I’ll just give you my prayers kung ano bang dasal ko naman sana after nito..
Ang dasal ko lang sana maintindihan ninyo ang dusang dinadanas ng pamilya ko ngayon, ano, ang dasal ko lang sana matutunan na natin after nito na ang salitang Pilipino ay hindi lang tumutukoy sa isang pamilya.. ang salitang Pilipino ay tumutukoy sa isang bansa.. isang bansang Pilipino and sometimes it’s worth taking a risk for this country… (crying)… maraming salamat po…
Meron ho akong mga napirmahan nitong mga nakaraang araw, paki-ano na lang po ‘yon, because I signed it without really, I signed some affidavits this morning, I signed yesterday, I signed some security request so, paki-pasensiyahan n’yo na lang po ‘yun na pinagpipirmahan ko ‘yon. I signed it in their company.
REFRESHER LANG PO… ROD, READY AIM…. FIRE!! NAGHIHINTAY KAMI
caught on text messages!!!!!!
gloria:cguraduhin yung budget para sa mga blog writers ni Lozada,lalu na si rod hes been consistent with all my instructions…….
xburger:yes mam budget is alloted to them,their doing their best to bring that blog down.
gloria:salamat kung ganon…
jonas — June 16, 2008 #
Sana mapatunayan mo ang sinasabi mo sa itaas para hindi ka paghinalaang asong ulol sa blog ni Lozada. Aba, kung nambibintang ka ng hindi mo kayang suportahan mas masahol ka sa isang inutil na sawa. - JONAS
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kagitingang batangas — June 17, 2008 #
caught on text messages!!!!!!
gloria:cguraduhin yung budget para sa mga blog writers ni Lozada,lalu na si rod hes been consistent with all my instructions…….
xburger:yes mam budget is alloted to them,their doing their best to bring that blog down.
gloria:salamat kung ganon…
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pilosopotasyo — June 17, 2008 #
ka elmo pakiusap po wag na kayo makipagtalo kay rod sa ibang isyu na kasi napupunta ang dapat ay sa makabuluhang kurokuro tungkol sa katotohanan. ganyan lang talaga si rod pero alam ko hindi sarado ang isip nya wala lang syang magawa kasi dyan sya kumikita. balik na lang tayo sa isyu para makinabang naman ang ating mga kababayan. pag pumatol ka kasi sa kanya eh di para ka na ring bumaba sa level nya, tama po ba ka elmo?
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Danny E. — June 17, 2008
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
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hello magandang umaga sa inyo mga kaibigan (kaliwa’t kanan),
HAVE YOU READ GUYS…kararating ko lang sa work ha, nagkakape pa lang ako hehehhe.
nakita nyo na ang mga personal na pag atake, si KA ELMO ready aim fire daw hehhehhe.
well start ko ang araw ko na hindi sumagot sa mga maaanghang na salitang aking natanggap..’wow ang galing ng word ko, maaanghang’ medyo pinaganda ko na ha kahit puro fantastic ang mga sinasabi, hehehhe
para kay pareng ABS OF LA kasi maganda naman ang pakiusap nya.
hey, KA ELMO, im sorry nung nakita ko na transcript ni Jun Lozada ang mga pinoste mo di ko na binasa kasi maraming beses ko ng narinig, binasa at inanilasa yan before..at hindi nga ako naniniwala. ipagpatawad mo ang di ko pag ayon sa pinaniniwalaan mong katotohanan.
OK LANG ROD.. SABI MO NGA DI PEDE IPILIT KUNG DI KA TALAGA NANINIWALA DI GA..
TSAKA KAYA NGA REFRESHER ANG SABI KO.. NANINIWALA NAMAN “SIGURO” TAYONG LAHAT NA MAY ANOMALYA SA ZTE DEAL.. SANA MAGKAROON NA LANG NG TESTIGO NA PAPANIWALAAN NG BUONG SAMBAYANANG PILIPINO.
Pareng Rod,
Salamat naman at pinaunlakan mo ang aking mungkahi na sana ay huwag na nating gatungan pa ang nagliliyab na poot na naglulumigwag sa ating mga damdamin. I respect your point of view and you certainly have the right to your own opinion and as you said nobody can dictate upon you what to believe nor change your own way of looking at developments in the country today.
The issue of JLO is only a drop in the bucket compared to what our task ahead looks like. While some of us might totally exert our efforts and focus on the ZTE deal, we should not be lost in the main thrust of all of us which is TO WORK FOR THE TOTAL ELIMINATION OF CORRUPTION IN OUR GOVERNMENT.
While corruption might be a big issue in the present administration, I am inclined to think that corruption has been in our government since time immemorial. It is wrong to say that the administration is corrupt and we need the opposition to stop it. Corruption whether coming from the administration or the opposition will always be wrong. So I think we should be vigilant to make sure that those in power and those who will be in power after 2010 will be totally aware that CHANGE IS INEVITABLE AND THAT CHANGE SHOULD BE STARTED BY THOSE VERY PEOPLE WHO WILL HOLD POWER IN THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION.
GMA HAS HER HANDS FULL RIGHT NOW TRYING TO SOLVE THE EFFECTS OF PROBLEMS THAT ARE MOSTLY BEYOND OUR CONTROL LIKE THE DRASTIC INCREASE IN THE PRICE OF OIL. THIS INEVITABLE THORN IN OUR ECONOMY HAS CAUSED A LOT OF HARDSHIPS TO OUR PEOPLE. This problem should be collectively solved not only by the administration political leaders but by the opposition as well.
WE SHOULD REALIZE THAT THE MORE DIVIDED WE ARE AS A NATION, THE HARDER WILL IT BE TO SOLVE OUR PRESENT PROBLEMS.
embicile???? paki ispel nga ulit? For a man who is supposedly a manager in KSA, you sure are so good with your grammar and spelling. I’m sorry guys, whatever you say, di aral itong si Rod. He’s a fake….So sorry, just couldn’t resist …
Will some entities kindly not cut and paste something written by someone and attribute it to me! Oh please….Andidito naman ako, may nakiki quote pa na mali naman! grrrr…It’s the cut and paste gang again.
hello folks its almost lunch time pero sagutin ko muna si Ms. Bernadette,
bernadette — June 17, 2008 #
embicile???? paki ispel nga ulit? For a man who is supposedly a manager in KSA, you sure are so good with your grammar and spelling. I’m sorry guys, whatever you say, di aral itong si Rod. He’s a fake….So sorry, just couldn’t resist …
bernadette — June 17, 2008 #
Will some entities kindly not cut and paste something written by someone and attribute it to me! Oh please….Andidito naman ako, may nakiki quote pa na mali naman! grrrr…It’s the cut and paste gang again.
bernadette — June 17, 2008 #
gentlemen??? Goodness Rod! Execuive ka nga!
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Miss Bernadette, psensya na po nagkamali ako sa grammar & spelling po sana po di po nakasama sa Pilipinas lalo na sa mga kababayan natin na mahirap ang nagawa ko po na pagkakamali na yun po, sana wag ka na po masyadong magalit po gaya ng GRRRR!! po kasi po baka makasama sa health nyo po. at sa sinasabi nyo po na manager ako, wala naman po akong matandaan po na ganung eksaktong word po na ipinoste ka na ganun po ako, kaya ko po nasabi po na inuutusan ko ang mga arabo dito po kasi po sinasabi ko sa kanila na ‘itapon nyo mabuti sa trashcan ang mga basura nyo para di ako mahirapan maglinis’ at kaya po loyal sakin ang mga ganetur dito kasi po sila po palagi ang mga kaututan dila ko po dito po. Dun naman po sa cut & paste po, pagpasensyahan nyo na po kasi gusto ko po, bayaan nyo po kapag may batas na bawal na ang ganun, susunod na po ako po. at kung sa tingin nyo po di ako nag aral po, nirerespeto ko po kayo po.
At sa sinasabi nyo po na hindi ako EXECUIVE, marahil nga po ganun po marahil nga ako ay isang hamak na GANETUR lang po, pero po hindi EXCUIVE ang tamang spelling, EXECUTIVE po yata po ang tama po, wag po kayo pong mag alala po kahit nagkamali kyo po di po ako po galit po, kasi di naman nakaapekto sa pilipinas ang pagkakamali nyo po.
lastly pwede ba miss Bernadette po pa kiss na lang sa noo.
pareng ABS of La,
thanks din syo, well i totally agree with your statements.
im gonna miss this blog, dahil bukas ill be in Brussels..sa sabado na cguro ang balik ko dito sa opis.
AS PER ABOVE POSTING OF JUN LOZADA dated June 12, 2008.
Kung totoong kasangkot ako sa mga malalaking korupsyon sa gobyerno sa mahigit kong dalawang taong pagkakaupo bilang presidente ng isang kumpanya ng gobyerno, eh bakit hanggang ngayon ay wala silang nilalabas na ganitong kaso para sirain ako? Bakit ang kanilang mga propaganda ay pawang gawa gawa lamang na ako ay namumulitika lamang? Bakit ang kanilang mga ebidensiya ay pawang personal na pagmumura lamang? Hindi ba kayo nagtataka? - JUN LOZADA
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NBI files malversation charges vs Lozada
May 17, 2008 01:42:00
Tina Santos
Philippine Daily Inquirer
MANILA, Philippines–Charges of malversation of public funds were filed Friday by the National Bureau of Investigation against Rodolfo “Jun” Lozada in connection with a P19.6-million fund supposedly intended for the jatropha project of Philippine Forest Corp. (PhilForest).
Also charged with the same offense at the Department of Justice was PhilForest vice president Gerardo Carino, said lawyer Allan Contado, chief of the NBI antigraft division. Lozada is the former president of PhilForest.
According to the NBI investigation, PhilForest and the National Economic and Development Authority (Neda) signed a memorandum of agreement (MOA) on Nov. 28, 2006, for the implementation of the Economic Productivity Act of Idle Public Lands through the Establishment of Fiber Crops and Jatropha Curcas I Plantations.
Neda provided the fund amounting to P19,630,923–also referred to as the “KR-2 fund”–but the respondents reportedly deposited it in a PhilForest savings account originally intended for the company’s operating costs instead of in a separate trust fund.
With the respondents’ alleged approval, PhilForest released P14,487,322 to the Philippine Army on Nov. 14, 2006.
Separate MOA
The balance of the KR-2 fund was invested with Insular Life Assurance Co., a private entity, and was not used in a PhilForest-related project, the NBI said.
Under a separate MOA between PhilForest and the Army, the latter was assigned to develop nurseries for fiber crops and jatropha in selected idle public lands for mass propagation, and to establish several hectares to showcase production technology and generate income for farmers.
It was later learned that the amount released to the Army was returned to PhilForest because the defense secretary apparently did not approve the agreement.
The money was redeposited into PhilForest’s savings account, the NBI said.
According to the NBI, the release of P14 million to the Army was a violation of the law because the implementation of the project was solely delegated to PhilForest and not to another government agency.
“A scrutiny of the MOA between Neda and PhilForest, as well as the project documents, clearly revealed that the project should only be implemented by PhilForest,” the NBI said.
‘Misappropriation’
“Furthermore, it is not clear as to how the project would be implemented by the [Army] considering that the project requires technical skills of an expert in agriculture and forestry,” it said.
Contado said the KR-2 fund was “misappropriated, considering that it was invested for a purpose other than the intended.”
“And besides, there was no board resolution allowing the transfer as well as the investment of public funds to a private corporation,” he said.
Contado also said the NBI investigation was prompted by allegations raised against Lozada during the Senate inquiry into the controversial National Broadband Network deal with China’s ZTE Corp.
During a hearing, administration Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago portrayed Lozada as a self-dealing government executive with political ambitions who acted as an agent for businessman Jose “Joey” de Venecia III.
Trail of irregularities
Santiago cited documents purportedly showing a trail of irregularities that Lozada had committed as PhilForest chief, including a P5-million insurance policy taken out by the corporation with Insular Life, with his wife acting as the agent.
She rattled off a list of contracts entered into by Gabriel Multimedia Services owned by Lozada’s brother that did not go through the mandatory bidding, and questioned Lozada’s purchase of two vehicles purportedly for PhilForest’s use.
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Jun paki explain mo nga ito, sinampahan ka ng gobyerno May 17, 2008….ginawa mo ang statement mo sa taas June 12, 2008.
parang hindi nanaman tugma ang iyong tinuran, ano ba talaga ang totoo? talaga bang hindi mo lang binibilog ang ulo ng mga tao?
Again let’s stick to issues rather than argumentum ad hominem. let’s propose solutions instead of exchanging insults and slander. Can insults and slander solve our country’s systemic corruption?
Our problems are real. The world economy is going to recession. The dollar gets weaker by the day — this means our OFW will have to toil more to give the needs of their families. Inflation is 9.6%. Oil approaches $200 per barrel. Climate change is bringing super typhoons and long-term droughts.
Instead of wasting time exchanging pointless banter lets present here proposals on how we as a people and nation establish a viable economic program and a functional political system.
Maybe, we should ignore inane comments here and focus instead on the blogs with sense.
hintayin ko ang kasagutan mo Mr. Jun Lozada, tingin ko parte ng issue ang tanong ko lalo na ikaw mismo ang gumawa ng statement na yan dito sa blog mo.
ROD, Sana may web link para mas kapanipaniwala.. aba baka gawa gawaan mo lang yan.. parang ganito ” http://youtube.com/watch?v=lXvOMawdeMI ” jun vs miriam… para maniwala naman kami na hindi ka nga bayaran.. kung di mo maibigay ang link saan mo kinuha yan.. siguro sa diskete galing sa malakanyang..
May karapatan ba itong Jun Lozada na ito na may mistress and illegitimate children na magbigay ng message sa mga youth? Siya ba ang ehemplo ng kabataan. Pwede ba!
# ROD — June 17, 2008 #
hintayin ko ang kasagutan mo Mr. Jun Lozada, tingin ko parte ng issue ang tanong ko lalo na ikaw mismo ang gumawa ng statement na yan dito sa blog mo.
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I second your statement, Rod. Ako rin matagal nang naghihintay sa blog na ito ang mga explanation ni Jun Lozada sa mga kasong pinaparatang sa kanya. Sabi niya dalhin sa korte, e meron na palang isanampa sa korte. Binibilog nga ba niya ang mga ulo natin? Ginagawa ba tayong tanga nitong taong ito?
kagitingang batangas — June 17, 2008 #
caught on text messages!!!!!!
gloria:cguraduhin yung budget para sa mga blog writers ni Lozada,lalu na si rod hes been consistent with all my instructions…….
xburger:yes mam budget is alloted to them,their doing their best to bring that blog down.
gloria:salamat kung ganon.
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Alam ko maraming magigiting na taga Batangas maliban sa isang ito na nagpapakalat ng
kasinungalingan. Yan ba ang kagitingan mo? Magsinungaling? Sa bagay, idolo mo si Lozada na lantarang sinungaling.
May karapatan ba itong Jun Lozada na ito na may mistress and illegitimate children na magbigay ng message sa mga youth? Siya ba ang ehemplo ng kabataan. Pwede ba! - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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Bakit, ano ba ang sinasabi o message ni Lozada sa mga kabataan, ang magkaro’n din ng mistress at illegitimate children? Hindi ba’t pinararating n’ya sa mga kabataan ang nakawan at pandarambong na nangyayari sa gobyerno? Ano masama do’n? Hindi siya kailangang maging ehemplo at palagay ko hindi naman n’ya inaasam ‘yan. Ang kailangan lang e magsabi siya ng tutoo at ‘wag magsinungaling.
PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO — June 17, 2008 #
May karapatan ba itong Jun Lozada na ito na may mistress and illegitimate children na magbigay ng message sa mga youth? Siya ba ang ehemplo ng kabataan. Pwede ba!
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The above statement is quite a personal attack on the person not just of Jun LOZADA, but
more importantly to the children, illegitinate or not. This staement and posting belongs to the rubbish bin! I have never been too strong in my rebuttals of personal attacks on any person, but for this PANGGALATOK, I shall condemn you the highest level. YOU DO NOT BELONG to any race, you belong to the RUBBISH BIN! For Crying Out loud you have brought the innocent children into this FRACAS. These are young, innocent children. Bear that in mind, if you have any.
CHILDREN, innocent ones at that should never be brought and be subjected to such personal attacks.
PANGGALATOK, I challenge you meet up with me and I shall give you a piece of what I think about you, you cheap piece of crap! NEVER THE CHILDREN! Remember that!
I apologize to everyone, except PANGGALATOK, for my outburst. It is just that I am very sensitive if it concerns the children. Especially if the CHILDREN are used as weapons in ADULT Squabbles or fights!
I agree with you Jonas. TRUTH AND ACCOUNTABILITY, not having a mistress, is what Jun has been telling and asking the youths.
FYI, I have a very dep concern for children especially under privileged and those with disabilities. My family makes it a point to bring presents to kids in DSWD Offices and Kids with Special Needs, so I know how these kids feel and PANGGALATOK you shoudl eb ashamed of yourself!
ang isang taong gaya ko na kakaunti lang ang alam sa mga nangyayari ay bumabase sa mga balitang nababasa ko. Sa ngayon, since nauna kong basahin itong kay JLo, nasa point nga naman siya. Totoo nga kayang may mga bayarang tao dito para sirain si JLo?
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Rod :
Your posting, with PDI Article, pertaining to the case filed by the NBI against Jun Lozda on Misappropriation of Funds. You were asking him to expound on this. I am not a lawyer, but if a case has been filed against you in the court of law, you are NOT allowed to discuss this other than with your lawyer or in the courthouse during trial. I think it is called SUB JUDICE. Thus, your request fior an answer to that from Jun himself is an exercise in futily. Inasmuch as Jun wishes to answer you, he is restrained from doing so. You may have to go and attend the trial / hearing.
While on thisissue, NBI files charges. HAVE THE NBI FILED CHARGES AGAINST BEN ABALOS, LEO SAN MIGUEL, MIGUEL ARROYO, GLORIA ARROYO, RUBEN REYES and other John Does and cohorts? Evidence were also presented during that senate hearing, with statements and witness accounts relating to the anomalous NBN-ZTE OVERPRICING. Gloria Arroyo herself, admitted and acknowledged that indeed there was an overpricing which is punishable by law, as per our constitution, HOW COME THE NBI / DOJ did not file any charges against the people in the governmemt? Could it be because, RAUL GONZALES is beholden to Arroyo, due his political indebtedness in getting his present position.
THIS IS CLEAR EXAMPLE OF WHAT KIND OF LEGAL SYSTEM WE HAVE. THERE IS NO JUSTICE IN IT AT ALL.
ANG SOLUTION SA PROBLEMA NATIN AY LET US VOTE WISELY COME 201O. LET US MOT VOTE BASED ON POPOULARITY AND PRO POOR PROPAGANDIST. LET US NOT VOTE THOSE USING THE POOR FOR THEIR PERSONAL MOTIVES. LET US VOTE FOR ONE WHO HAS TRACK RECORDS OF DOING THINGS FOR THE GOOD OF EVERYONE. LET US VOTE FOR THE ONE WHO HAS THE POLITICAL WILL TO INSTILL DISIPLINE FOR THE PEOPLE TO OBEY THE LAWS OF OUR LAND AND TO JAIL THE LAWBREAKERS RICH OR POOR, WALANG KAMAKAMGANAK AT WALANG KAIBIKAIBIGAN. YOUR YAK YAK HERE AND YAKYAK THERE WILL BRING US NOWHERE KAYA LET US WAIT FOR 2010 AND ELECT OUR TRUE LEADERS WHO HAVE THE BALLS TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT NO MATTER WHO GETS HURT.
ANDRES :
You are correct and I agree with you. The electorate should be wise enough as to vote for the officials who are not afraid and have no political debt.
Education of th electorate should have commenced by now, in order to re-indoctrinate them into the proper use of the UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE.
Whether we like it or not, politicians would use all their charms to woo the lectorate especially the poor. I would think a limited BUDGET for election campaign, really TIGHT BUDGET, should be enforced to all candidates, local and national candidates. There are GIANTS in the business establishments and GIANTS in the political Arena who would contribute to the campaign war chest large amounts of money. THat is where it all begins. This big contributors would expect repayment when their candidates have been elected into office.
COMELEC : These guys should be brave enough to withstand the pressures and honest enough to decline bribes expected to be offered to them.
How do we get to do this, and who has the capacity to do this? That is the question that the FILIPINOS themselves alone can answer. It is given that alot of those responsible for the election of the officials would succumb to bribery, one way or the other.
We should be able to form a pressure group that could do this and demand for free and honest elections. I don’t about NAMFREL, are they as credible as before? Or have they been tainted and infiltrated by the powers that be?
rod and pangalatok: ano ba ang gusto nyong witness sa katiwalian para paniwalaan nyo? yung walang bahid ng ano mang kasalanan? wala na po tayong makikitang ganun kasi patay na si mother theresa at pope john paul II! bakit si chavit na aminadong jueteng lord pinaniwalaan nyo? kasi kakampi nyo?
PILOSOPOTASYO:
Tama ka, walang taong walang kasalanan. Upang paliitin natin ang pagpipilian, lalong WALA ng Pilipinong walang bahid ang pagkatao, lalo na mga pulitiko.
Witnesses all have skeletons in their respective closets. Some are huge enough that they practically have these closets custom built. Sometimes, they even ask their friends for space as well_ito yung mga galamay, example would be IGGY ARROYO, RAZON, DISINI, ENRILE, VER, RAMOS, DICHAVEZ, Kasama din dito si DeVENECIA. Ngunit ang lahat ng mga ito ay pinauupahan ang kani-kanilang closet, at malaki ang upa sa mga ito, kaya kung ating susuriin, ang laki ng mga ginansya ng mga ito!
As i scrolled down all these long-winding comments and so-called repartees—ano ba yan?! A lot of finger-pointing talaga! Madalas ng commentors dito have read back at all their comments…and see themselves as also being part of something that has to be corrected! It all boils down to OURSELVES!
Have you all ever thought that if we were put into all the situations of all these people we consider corrupted like JLo, we can (in all probability) do it too?
Everyone who had gone through a lot of stress and BIG problems (because of principles) will go through some spiritual search! BECAUSE that is where the solution lies! I am not speaking in behalf of any religion or institution—I am speaking in behalf of my own experiences! Kaya I know that once someone makes tough choices like Mr Lozada, he has no other way now but to be going the way of his heart!
@Jonas and Lozada apologists : Nakakasigurado ba kayong seryoso itong Lozada na labanan ang corruption. Bakit hindi niya ma-affirm yung testimony niya sa Sandiganbayan. Aber? Hindi ba kayo nakakahalata na binibilog lang tayo ng sinungaling na Lozadang yan.
Ito basahin niyo at mainit-init pa:
Dismissal of NBN-ZTE cases by Ombudsman feared
By Edu Punay
Wednesday, June 18, 2008
The inaction of key witnesses to affirm their testimonies on alleged anomalies in the botched $329-million national broadband network project may prompt the Office of the Ombudsman to dismiss all criminal charges filed in relation to the bribery scandal.
Lawyer Ernest Francisco Jr., one of the complainants in the criminal cases of the NBN controversy, expressed apprehension yesterday after witnesses Jun Lozada and Jose de Venecia III failed to affirm their testimonies on the NBN controversy within the period set by the investigating panel of the anti-graft body.
Francisco is concerned that Lozada’s lawyers have not acted on the Ombudsman’s order to submit an affidavit affirming his client’s testimony at the Senate inquiry for the preliminary investigation on the seven NBN-related cases to proceed.
“I hate to say this but the problem is that his (Lozada’s) lawyers cannot decide on what to do or how to go about it. I just don’t know if they realize that their inaction might give the Ombudsman an excuse to dismiss the cases filed on the NBN-ZTE scam,” he told The STAR.
“I have been trying to reach his lawyers for the past two weeks. I’ve learned that Leah Navarro of the Black and White Movement also asked them to coordinate with me but I was not getting any definite response,” the lawyer said.
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Kung siya ba naman ay seryoso at tunay na lumalaban sa korupsyon, e bakit itong nasa korte na kaso hindi niya kayang panindigan para maparusahan ang mga nagnanakaw sa kaban ng bayan. Dahil kaya walang siyang matibay na ebidensya at hindi niya mapapatunayan ang kanyang mga paratang. O, ginagamit niya lang ito para sa sariling niyang politikal na ambisyon.
@Ken Kashi, Relax ka lang. You’re skirting the issue about credibility of this blogger who used the youth in his previous blog to suit whatever personal agenda he has. That’s why I am asking him frontally what credibility does he have to speak to the youth when he himself is not an exemplar for the youth to follow. Pare, you’re losing your perspective. Blame the character of this guy who has to gall to influence the youth when he himself deserves not to be emulated w/ his shenanigans in office and marital improprieties. Am I not speaking the truth that this Lozada is immoral for cheating his wife and siring illegitimate children? You’re barking at the wrong tree. I am not focusing my tirades on children. It is this hypocrite whose life is a mess and have the gall to influence the mentality of our youth. Are you saying it is right to cheat your wife, sire illegitimate children, steal money from PhilForest coffers, etc.?
@PILOSOPOTASYO: Ang testigo na matapang at kaya niyang panindigan ang kanyang mga paratang sa korte….. yan ang hinahanap ko kay Lozada na puro daldal at wala namang maipakitang ebidensya. Puro hearsays. Naalala mo ba si Clarissa Ocampo noong siya’y tumestigo laban kay Presidente Erap Estrada. Ito ang kanyang testimonya:
“The President — Joseph Ejercito Estrada. Sir, I was about one foot away because I was seated next to him (Estrada) by his left side.”
– Prosecution witness Clarissa Ocampo said when was asked to identify the signatory of the Jose Velarde bank account .
Yan, pare, ang matapang at kapanipaniwalang testigo. Matapang at matapat. Ang kanyang testimoniya ay kapanipaniwala dahil merong siyang collaborated testimonial and documentary evidence.
Ikompara mo nga yan sa idolo mong si Lozada?
to PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO:
Tama ka… although gusto ni jun na matulad kay clarissa ocampo… wala xang credibilidad tulad ni Clarissa… tulad ni Chavit, ala din xa “BALLS”. Hanga ako kay Jun nung una but eventually nag decline ang pag hanga ko sa tapang nya (na wala nman talaga) hanggang sa tuluyan nang nawala at napalitan ng pagka inis mula ng gamitin nya ang mga kabataan para sa kanyang krusada. Isa pa, ung Issue ni lozada regarding ZTE-NBN deal? gamitan lang lahat yan bro. nag pagamit si Jun sa Opposition para mapatalsik ang administrasyon at maagaw nila ang kapangyarihan…. pero ngayun… mukhang matindi talaga ang kapit ni Gloria at di nila matibag nag kanya kanya na ang mga tag opposisyon… mejo napabayaan na tong si lozada…. kaya e2 nagmamaktol sa blog.
Ken Kashi:
It’s good to see that we can try to put our brains together and shift through the pile of lies and half-truths to find a plausible answer to the seemingly complex state of the affairs.
Yes. I personally think that the Senate can charge the security, including the persons that issued the mission orders, for harboring a fugitive. That’s why the lawyer at the Outback wanted Jun to sign an affidavit for the “comfort” of certain individuals.
KA ELMO(June 17,2008):
“The first time I was introduced to this project by Secretary Neri with an introduction to Chairman Benjamin Abalos. I guess if it was not late September or early October, I was introduced by Secretary Neri to [Commission on Elections] Chairman Benjamin Abalos in Wack-Wack [Golf and Country Club] together with his usual entourage sina Ruben Reyes, Leo San Miguel, and the ZTE representatives Yu Yong and Fan Yang… “
“so it was sometiome in early November that Joey (Jose de Venecia III) was introduced to me by Secretary Neri because Joey presented project proposal for the NBN, and the secretary asked me if it was appropriate and I said yes so he encouraged Joey to pursue the project development further..”
BASING on the posting of Ka Elmo which I presume is based on the transcript of Jun Lozada’s personal statements, it would appear that JDVII is the late-comer in the NBN project by one or two month. We do not know if Jun is the one that tipped off Joey on the project. We have often encountered situations wherein government people intentionally complicate things for the purpose of getting their “tong”. If Ben weren’t so greedy and bought Joey out, will Jun get his “tong” from both parties? Will there be a Jun Lozada – the truth crusader?
No, it is not possible for Jun to bring 500,000 pesos out of the country due to Bangko Sentral restrictions; but remitting the sum without a paper trail via the Binondo Central Bank is possible.
A second destination after Manila is possible but not probable. Jun opted HK instead of London when he left and he was feeling miserable after a few days in HK which is one of the nearest destination to his home, so he will not be thinking of going to another more distant shore. Besides, his statement that he wanted to return home is enough proof that he had no other destinations in mind.
Kharry : That is a good synopsis. We may have differences in our adaptation of what has transpired, especially Jun’s kidnapping. However, we are now doing what the blog is all about. Exchange of ideas and justification of each and everyone’s opinion, as what this thread implies YOU ARE WHAT YOU SEE. I see a good blogger in you right now, because, from what you have posted, I had to go back to I had posted and have a Second look, placing your comments in lieu of mine, then re-analyze.
Anyways, If am not mistaken, Joey’s AHI Holdings made the first proposal for the project, I think even ahead of AMRESCOM (US Firm), then Ben joined the competition, basing his project from an item he got from a Tabloid (TONIGHT or ABANTE) if I am not mistaken.
Ben who was retiring was owed by the ARROYOS for services rendered. Reason he called FG with JUN at his side and blurted ” Kung ganyan kayo kausap, ayaw ko na kayong kausapin, kalimutan na natin yung pinagusapan natin…..” or something to that effect..
NON IMMIGRATION STAMP : Could also have been : Jun arrives in Manila, albeit in TRANSIT, to take connecting flight to anywhere, perhaps, Continetal to Guam, Lufthansa to Frankfurt, Thai Airways to Bangkok then onwards similarly Singapore Airlines to Singapore, then onwards. Remember that Mr Gaite gave Jun PHP500,000.00 which was given to his brother, a day or Two, before Jun arrived. Could it be also, that the PHP500K was intended to be handed to Jun during his transit for his expenses when he departs for the Third country. I think this would make sense, they can not transfer the PHP500,000.00 due to paper trail, hence, has to be given personally. It could be the reason for Jun’s family being at the airport. But somehow this plan was aborted, and Jun had to be taken for a ride instead. Or it could also be a ruse for Jun to arrive Manila, thinking that he has onward flight after getting the cash, unknownst to him, he would be taken out. I forgot to mention, KLM has flight as well that bight to Amsterdam.
Jun had to continually update Lito Atienza, being his boss, on any development. Which is why, Lito arranged for staff to get Jun as he disembarks from the plane.
Alas, all we could is speculate. But at least our minds and perceptions are being shaken, giving us a moment to have a look at other possibilities. Out fo the Box, as the saying goes.
Looking forward to more interesting posts!
Kharry : Security personnel aware that they could be held liable for harboring a fugitive.
The above statement should apply to anyone, including ATIENZA, ATUTUBO, RAZON, MASCARINAS among otehrs. If that is the case, then all those involved in getting Jun from the airplane should be charged with HARBORING a fugitive. What do you think?
Bernie B.: Yes, sir, Filipinos go aborad to hopefully uplift the quality of life for their families, especially the children. I just hope and Pray that sooner, rather than later, our politicos realize that they are doing a disservice to their contituents, Filipinos would be able to go abroad, NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO, BUT BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO.. leisure or as high quality expats. Most of the Filipinos working abroad are on “HAVE TO” Basis. Suire hope that it could be another reason.
ABS of LA : as a rejoinder to your posting (FOR KA ELMO & ROD). Middle East has MIGRANTE, which they could also coordinate with. I think it is headed by John based in Qatar. I could provide webpage if you are interested.
ABS, you are correct (yet again), let us not limit ourselves to ZTE-NBN but the whole encilada on the anomalies of the government, not just with ARROYO, but with the future Head of State and the branches of the State as well.
In the meantime, let’s tackle the issues besetting us presently, but maintaining vigilance all thoughout.
Kung siya ba naman ay seryoso at tunay na lumalaban sa korupsyon, e bakit itong nasa korte na kaso hindi niya kayang panindigan para maparusahan ang mga nagnanakaw sa kaban ng bayan. Dahil kaya walang siyang matibay na ebidensya at hindi niya mapapatunayan ang kanyang mga paratang. O, ginagamit niya lang ito para sa sariling niyang politikal na ambisyon. - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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So what’s your point? Gusto mo bang ma-solve ang corruption at pandarambong sa pamahalaan? Ano’ng aspeto ng statement ni Lozada ang hindi mo gusto? Sino sa mga inaakusahan ni Lozada ang sinusuportahan mo? Meron ka bang pagnanasa na magkaro’n ng linaw ang usaping ZTE deal? Ano opinyon mo sa kabuuan ng isyu? Kung hindi ka naniniwala kay Lozada, bakit? Sino pinaniniwalaanmo, bakit? Siguro dapat maibigay mo sa amin ‘yang mga detalye na ‘yan para malaman natin ang tayo mo sa usapan.
KEN KASHI,
I THINK YOU TOTALLY DIDNT GET THE IDEA OF MY QUERY TO JUN LOZADA!
LOOK CAREFULLY THE INCONSISTENCIES OF HIS STATEMENTS.
ano ba ito, is he just simply trying to fool the people? read carefully, read the dates, and his message.
ROD, talk to the hand, LOL!
jonas — June 18, 2008 #
ROD, talk to the hand, LOL!
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have you seen guys, how JONAS to misled the issue. usapan tao ito hindi usapan baboy hehheheheh…get back to the coral and feed your piglets
have you seen guys, how JONAS to misled the issue. - ROD
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Issue? What issue? You don’t know what an issue is. At nagsusumbong ka pa sa “guys?” Sino ‘yang mga “guys” na pinagsusumbongan mo? No deal.
jonas — June 18, 2008 #
have you seen guys, how JONAS to misled the issue. - ROD
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Issue? What issue? You don’t know what an issue is. At nagsusumbong ka pa sa “guys?” Sino ‘yang mga “guys” na pinagsusumbongan mo? No deal.
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ANG GUYS JONAS YUNG MGA TAO, HINDI PARA SAYO YAN KASI HINDI KA NAMAN TAO DIBA KASI BABOY KA DIBA …….HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA….JONAS GUSTO MO DARAK
ANG GUYS JONAS YUNG MGA TAO, HINDI PARA SAYO YAN KASI HINDI KA NAMAN TAO DIBA KASI BABOY KA DIBA …….HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA….JONAS GUSTO MO DARAK - ROD
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Are you sure makikinig sa ‘yo mga tao dito? Guys, guys ka pa e sinusuka ka na dito. Tignan mo ‘yung mga post mo puro basura. Minsan kitang natanong nagwala ka na. Hala, ituloy mo ‘yang pagbibilang mo ng buhangin.
NAUBUSAN KA NA BA JONAS, SUMUSUKO KA NA BA, SINO KAY AANG SINUSUKA SATIN KAPAG NAKITA NILA ANG MGA POSTING MO AT PINAGMULAN NG MGA KABASTUSAN NA ITO…HAHAHHAHAHA WAG KA MAPIKON JONAS, LAGI MO TATANDAAN:
KUNG ANONG TINANIM MO SA KAPWA MO YUN DIN ANG AANIHIN MO. PAPUNTA KA PA LANG UTOY….HAHHAHAHA
KEN KASHI,
I THINK YOU TOTALLY DIDNT GET THE IDEA OF MY QUERY TO JUN LOZADA!
LOOK CAREFULLY THE INCONSISTENCIES OF HIS STATEMENTS.
ano ba ito, is he just simply trying to fool the people? read carefully, read the dates, and his message.
LOOK CAREFULLY THE INCONSISTENCIES OF HIS STATEMENTS. - ROD
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Puro ka look, bakit hindi mo ipakita at patunayan mong inconsistent? Gusto mong palabasing mas magaling ka ke Lozada, sige tignan natin.
JONAS TAO ANG TINATANONG KO HINDI BABOY NA KATULAD MO.ANONG TIGNAN NATIN, ANONG ALAM MO, WALA KA NAMAN ALAM KUNG HINDI KUMAIN NG DARAK
KEN IBALIK KO LANG ANG COMMENT KO SA RESPONSE MO SA TANONG KO KAY JUN LOZADA, KASI PILIT NA SINASAPAWAN NI DIVERSIONARY JONAS aka oink oink ang message ko syo..
I THINK YOU TOTALLY DIDNT GET THE IDEA OF MY QUERY TO JUN LOZADA!
LOOK CAREFULLY THE INCONSISTENCIES OF HIS STATEMENTS.
ano ba ito, is he just simply trying to fool the people? read carefully, read the dates, and his message.
WISH YOULL BE ABLE TO RESPONSE BAKA NAMAN MAY MAGADANG PALIWANAG KA…BAKA NEXT NA AKO MAKAPREPLY SYO IF EVER KASI PALABAS NA AKO NG WORK COZ I HAVE A TRIP THIS AFTEERNOON..
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TO JONAS NAMAN,
YOU HAVE ALL THE TIME AGAIN TO STAB ME AT THE BACK WHILE IM AWAY AND SAY ALL KABABUYAN TO YOUR KAPWA….BEST WISHES SA KABASTUSAN MO, NAWAY WAG KA NA DUMAMI..HEHHEHEHEH
see you saturday guys.
Fan ako ng First Posting at Youth. Ngayon wala na akong makitang nagsusulat doon. Lumipat pala dito ang mga tao. 500 ba ang limit ng entries? Hindi bale. Dito na ako. Maaga akong nakaalis sa pila kaya nagawi ako rito. 5 kilo ang limit. 2 kilo lang kaya ko. Ang 3 kilo binayaran ng kapitbahay namin, pero kanya rin ang bigas. Binigyan lang ako ng sampung piso. Ibinili ko ng luya. Mahirap palang lunukin ang paksiw na walang luya. Iyon kasing gagamitin sana namin dinapuan lang ng bangaw, hindi na namin nakita. Baka raw nanikit sa balahibo ng paa.
Marami akong oras sa computer. Kasi pag wala ang mga alaga ko, solo ko ang oras. Parang tutor lang naman ang papel ko. Pinag-aral ako ng short course para raw maturuan ko ang mga bata. Sabagay, nakatuntong din naman ako sa College. Pinaalis nga lang agad ako ng guwardiya. Baka raw may mawala. Wala naman talaga akong balak mag-snatch. Humanga lang ako sa mga nakaunipormeng kolegiyala.
Binabasa ko lahat na post, kahit karamihan ay hindi ko maintindihan, lalo na ang English. Isa lang ang gusto kong malaman tungkol sa CTE-NBN deal. Kaya pinasok ni Pangulong Gloria ang kontrata ay dahil ito ay maganda para sa bayan, hindi po ba? Bakit kanyang kinansela ito? Maka-Gloria at maka-Lozada ang gusto kong sumagot. Gusto ko ang opinion ni Rod, kasi nasa KSA rin ang tiyuhin ko. Pero hindi siya kagaya ni Rod na nagbibilang ng buhangin. Sa tingin ko, parang nilulubid niya ito.
Rod : No worries, I shall get back to you on this. Meeting. Thanks
First off, I would just like to say that my dang Lakers got trounced by the Celtics. Huhuhu.
Hello KEN, ABS, BERNADETTE and Jonas, how are you guys doing? A word of caution, let’s not waste any more time trying to answer this so-called manager. Brussels daw..LOL.
Anyways, there’s a lot of pretty good news in the ‘pinas. I read that Ces and company has been freed by the abu’s with no ransom paid (daw). Am glad they are alive and kicking. The teachers’ salary increases was passed by the Senate and the little folks gets a tax break.
I also read about the “comfort room” problems in the school. Imagine 1 toilet bowl for every 102 students? What’s up with that? Are our school system really that bad? 1 teacher for every 60-70 student?
I would also like to comment on the P500 peso subsidy on the electric. Why only in Manila? how about the rest of the Philippines?
“Katas nang VAT” was just ok’ed by congress, how much you wanna bet that the money reaches it’s intended recipient.
I am anticipating the JDV III “tell all” in the NBN ZTE deal. Will he finally spill the beans?
Also, do you know when JocJoc is being deported back to the pinas?
Keep up the good work guys and gals, I am right behind you.
Hi Rod :
Kung totoong kasangkot ako sa mga malalaking korupsyon sa gobyerno sa mahigit kong dalawang taong pagkakaupo bilang presidente ng isang kumpanya ng gobyerno, eh bakit hanggang ngayon ay wala silang nilalabas na ganitong kaso para sirain ako? Bakit ang kanilang mga propaganda ay pawang gawa gawa lamang na ako ay namumulitika lamang? Bakit ang kanilang mga ebidensiya ay pawang personal na pagmumura lamang? Hindi ba kayo nagtataka?
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Ito ba ang tinutukoy mo, article ng PDI?.
Anyways, if the malversation of funds have been filed (as per 17th May article), what is the progress of this? If I am not mistaken, Jun has sent his affidavit to answer these charges filed by the NBI. Indicating that the transactions entered into between PhilForest and the Army (concerning Php14M.) is approved by the board of directors of PhilForest Inc.
Pareng Rod, when did the NBI raid the officfe of Jun at Philforest? Kindly refresh my memory. I would reckon it was around 1st week of May. The timeline of the filing of charges would show that it is a NUISANCE case, to intimidate Mr Lozada, and make life harder fro Mr Lozada.
In the Thread Mr Lozada posted, he is daring anyone to file CORRUPTION CHARGES against him, which I believe, in legal parlance is difefrent from MALVERSATION OF FUNDS. They may connote similarly, but the connotaion is different.
Again, in the Thread, he is also daring any blogger who have accused him of corruption to file the case/s in court, however, the person who filed the case should be prepared to file similar case/s to the persons _ read _ Arroyo, Abalos, San Miguel et. al., that he would bring up. Meaning, you should also file charges against those implicated in teh ZTE-NBN SCANDAL.
That is how I interpret the above Rod. As mentioned previously, I am NO Lawyer, hence I COULD BE WRONG in my interpretation.
Hope I have answered your question, let me know if insufficient.
Cheers! Ingat sa Brussels!
Hey Berbie B.!!! Yep, Pierce and Rondo were magnificent! DEFENSE did the Lakers! Back to Pinas though.
Yep, sure am glad Ces and company have all been freed and unharmed. I do not care about the ransom issue though. Board and Lodging perhaps.
It is awful with the toilet issue of schools. That is the issue, the country could have provide decent services to the people, unfortunately, corruption is siphoning off the funds intended for such. The Katas Ng Vat will most likely reach 10-15% of it’s intended recipients, the rest goes to the pocket. It is simple, as I ahve read in one of the posts here, WHY NOT SIMPLY DEPOSIT THE BUDGET TO LANDBANK and MERALCO NOTIFIES THE BANK OF THOSE “FORTUNATE” RECIPIENTS. Could it be because walang impact, at maki8ta ng mga kapitbahayan na super galing at bait si Gloria? Kung tutuusin, at sana ay maliwabagan ang ating mga mamamayan, na KUNG AALISIN ANG VAT SA POWER AT GAS, ay mas malaki pa ang kanilang matitipid, hindi pa sila PIPILA na parang naglilimos sa LANDBANK. Pagkatandaan ng ating mga mamamayan, na KULANG po ang serbisyo na ibinibigay ng Gobyerno sa taong bayan. Kaya’t kung mangailangan ang taungbayan, titipirin ng pamhalaan, parang candy na ibinibigay sa mga musmos na bata. Pagkatapos ay LAKING UTANG LOOB ito sa pamahalaan.
On JdV : He is still hoping against hope that he would be reinstated as Speaker. He is using this hype and what he knows as bargaining chip. For his sake and that of Gina, but most of all, the Filipinos, he would tell all and TRUTHFULLY, even if the end result would hit him in the butt. Since he has been a politician too long, surely, he must have done something that would ricochet back to him at times like this.
One can only hope and Pray that the TRUTH finally come out in the open, and that the Filipinos learn to be more vigilant and aware of what is happening to the country.
On the issue of JOC-JOC, we may have to wait until after Gloria’s visit to the. I could only surmice, that his deportation would be used by both George and Gloria to their benefits.
Bernie, sorry, should read BERNIE, iso berBie. Tks
LOL..it’s OK KEN, i’ve been called names worst than that
Yeah, the CELTICS were a better team that the Lakers and they deserved the championship. Wait till next year!! when we have Bynum!
10-15% of the recipients you say? I pegged it down to 5-8% probability. It’ll be almost election time remember? I am losing hope that there’s not a whole lot we can do with this present government and all it’s anomalies. G will prolly finish her term and ‘Pinas will just to bear down and take it till she leaves (if she ever will). As I said before, I hope there is a day of reckoning for her.
We need a new president that’ll breathe a fresh air to the philippines. You and I know that the current leadership we have stinks. I meant the TRAPO and the kind of people we have in the leadership role. Everybody is just out for themselves. Look at the Senate, We have Senator Lapid, Revilla and Estrada who are actors for christ sake. (sorry, didn’t mean to put gods name in vain). What has this trio done? At least Sotto is out. We have the mad woman (Santiago) who can’t help herself when she opens her mouth. She had the gall to accuse the “product endorser” Senators about their ads BUT she herself was politicking at PGH when she gave those machines away. Correct me if i’m wrong but arent those the taxpayers money? What am trying to say is, she is also trying to score points with the tax payers expense.
Only in the pinas.
Hey, how about Gov Ed Panlilio for president? I don’t have any trust in Noli to be a good Pres, he seems weak and unsure of himself.
Anyways, I just wanted to share some thoughts before I go to bed.
Nice blogging with y’all.
PS..yo JONAS, kalma lang pre LOL. he’s not worth it. I say just ignore “it” and maybe “it” will go away. He’s getting under your skin and trying to distract you from what your doing. Your doing great by the way.
KEN KASHI: As usual, your hero and idol Lozada is afflicted w/ persecution complex. He claimed his office was raidED but reports in the newspaper say the contrary:
“Allan Contado, chief of the NBI’s anti-graft division, said agent Marlon Tauli went to Philforest with an NBI request for certified true copies of some documents concerning Lozada.
Not a raid
“It was not a raid, only one agent went there and he was even unarmed. And why would we conduct a raid? It’s a government office,” Contado said when asked about media reports that the NBI stormed into Lozada’s office. He said Lozada’s office was not ransacked.
“We had a request letter duly received by Mr. Santos,” Contado said. “Then the documents were turned over by Mr. Santos to Agent Tauli … Some employees were even asked to photocopy the documents.””
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Paawa effect na naman si JUN. Nakakainis na. Hindi na kailangang iraid ang office niya. All that the NBI officers have to do is ask for the certified true copy of the documents. Jun’s office is a public office and all documents thereof are public documents that should be available to the public or to anyone interested. Ikaw mismo pumunta ka roon at bibigyan ka.
Paano mo naman nasabing nuisance cases yung ipina-file sa kanya. E, siya na mismo ang umamin sa Senado na may ginawa siyang kalokohan, palalampasin ba ng mga authorities yan? No one is above is the law, ika nga, di ba, KEN?
Anong sabi ni Jun Lozada? File a case against him in court? Ito, Jun at mga Lozada fans, basahin niyo. Baka nakalimutan kang sabihan ng abogado mo, Jun, kasi pro bono siya. Hehehehe Yan a..second case na yan.
Attention: KEN & of course, MR. JUN LOZADA
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NBI files second case vs Lozada, colleague
05/20/2008 | 05:59 PM
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MANILA, Philippines - The National Bureau of Investigation on Tuesday announced that it has filed a new case against senate witness Rodolfo Noel Lozada Jr. and a former colleague at the Philippine Forest Corporation (Philforest) in connection with the alleged purchase of vehicles and other equipment worth P15 million during their tenure.
Charged for violating the Anti-Graft and Corrupt Practices Law were Lozada, former president of the Philforest and Gerardo F. Carino, former vice president of Philforest.
This is the second case against Lozada and Carino.
On May 16, the NBI filed malversation charges against the two men over alleged irregularities he committed in connection with his work at Philforest.
In that case, the NBI said Lozada was involved in alleged irregularities in the allotment of P19.6 million for the development of Jatropha plantations in 2006.
The second case, according to the agency, was a case of graft in connection with the purchase of motor vehicles, fencing materials and other equipment worth P15 million without bidding.
This was contained in an NBI forwarded transmittal to the Office of the Ombudsman.
Investigation conducted by the Anti-Graft Division showed that upon its incorporation on January 24, 2006, the Philiforest started procuring its properties and equipments such as motor vehicles, fencing materials, biological assets, tools and equipments, furnitures and fixtures, computers and others.
The NBI said Philforest also executed contacts with private entities for consultancy services, development of its website, production of propaganda materials like the comic strip and instructional compact discs.
The NBI said these were acquired without the necessary bidding.
In addition, the Philforest also purchased a Toyota Hilux Model 2007 on June 15, 2007 as replacement of the Toyota Hilux purchased on May 17, 2006 that was allegedly carnapped.
The purchase of the car, the NBI said, was made without the required bidding.
“When subjects obtained the properties and services without the required bidding there is no question that they did it in the discharge of their official functions as public officers. The absence of the required bidding clearly showed that they lacked the necessary prudence in disbursing the funds of the Philippine Forest Corporation,” said the NBI in the transmittal.
Lawyer Allan Contano, chief of NBI Anti-Graft Division and concurrent NBI spokesman, clarified that the case filed against Lozada and Carino is not harassment, saying he would not be surprised that the bureau would be bombarded with criticism.
O, Jun, sa piskal ka na lang magpaliwanag at hindi sa blog na ito. Although, hindi pa naman sub-judice dahil nasa DOJ pa, pwede ka pa rin palang magpaliwanag dito sa blog site mo. You owe it to your fans here, JUN, especially the youth and OFWs. Don’t disappoint them. Baka tumalon yan sa kabilang bakod o di man tumalon sa mataas na building sa Ayala. Lagot ka! Hahahaha!
PANGGA….let me put it to you this way. G has her talons on all the government departments INCLUDING the NBI. She can do whatever she wants on people that are against her. Let me ask you this, how come NEDA won’t release the papers on the ZTE deal? Why won’t the NBI raid their office and gather all the evidence? remember G herself admitted to the corruption charge and so did Neri. If Jun admitted to his mistake and the NBI was quick to “raid” his office why can’t the NBI do the same?
Stop your spinning on Jun and deal with the real philippine politics.
The palace line is always take it to court (regarding the evidence) but isn’t the court in G’s hands? Starting with the Injustice Secretary and by golly the Supreme Court.
So who do we turn to to investigate the corruption in government? Ombudsman? LOLs what a waste. The Senate? Not anymore since they’ve been castrated by the SC.
You see the problem with the present leadership right now is that they’re not believable. Negative ratings and the scandals has made this present government inutile. You harp on Jun for his mistake YET you don’t see the BIGGER mistake made by G. Why is that? You limit your comments to jun. He’s a small fish. Try for the BIG fish. He already admitted for his mistakes, Can G do the same?
Jonas, sino ba naman ang ayaw malutas ang problema natin sa corruption? Gustong gusto ko yan. Pero, dapat naman ang testigo dapat panindigan mi JUN ang kanyang sinasabi w/ evidence at hindi hearsays lang. Tignan mo si Clarissa Ocampo. Yan ang tunay na testigo. Mayroon siyang ebidensyang pinanghahawakan. Hindi itong Lozada na kaya lumantad ay dahil naburilyaso ang kontrata nila Joey de Venecia III na natalong bidder. E, magkasabwat ang dalawang ito e. Pakinggan mo yung taped conversation nila. Huwag kang bulag at bingi sa katotohanan.
OK dokie… time to go to bed. G’night everyone.
Go DODGERS!!!!
I agree Panggalatok, NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. Kaya nga ang question ko din in previous postings, is why is IT that neither the A-DOJ nor the A-NBI have filed any case against the personalities involved in the ZTE-NBN Scandal. Like Abalos, Reyes, San Miguel, M. Arroyo, later na si G. Arroyo, due to immunity whilst in office.? Has Raul Gonzales not heard of the same accusations during the senate hearing?
On idolizing Jun Lozada or treating him as my hero, you are mistaken. I have never idolized Jun nor treated him as my hero, the most I could think of him is that he has provided motivation to me that was not there previously. Opened my eyes and became more aware of what is really going on in the country. I think I have posted in this blog in which I have mentioned, and now would repeat for your benefit. I AM NEITHER PRO-ARROYO NOR PRO-LOZADA, I AM SIMPLY AND PROUDLY PRO-FILIPINO. That’s all I am, a simple pro-Filipino guy, whose eyes were opened to the injustices and corruption perpetrated by the powers that be!
Look at at it this way. I have, and continue to deal with international personalities, often times asked about the state of corruption in our country. I tell them that it is nothing worse than any other corrupt country in the world. That is a lie, of course, and they know it. They also know that I know it.
On the raid of the PHILFOREST office. Why was the glass in the portrait of Jose Rizal broken? On Miriam Santiago’s mention of Lozada’s family benfiting from PHILFOREST, like, giving of lands among others. I suggest you get this list, and find who got what lands and the terms on this contested lands. As far as I know the mission of Philforest was to make idle lands become more productive.
Arvind Santos became the Arroyo stooge to rebuke Jun Lozada. Check his bank transactions and he is richer by 7 figures in Philippine Currency with a brand new car. He is s public servant, hence, his accounts are made public.
KEN, and what about Lozada’s shenanigans which he himself admitted in the Senate? With your defeaning silence on them, does it mean you agree to what was divulged by Miriam and confirmed by Lozada in the Senate? Why are you selective and even protective of the confessed felon like Lozada. Or, are you Lozada himself?
Pangagalatok :
As you yourself have mentioned, Miriam has already said this in the senate, in which Jun Lozada, himself has acknowledged, with mea culpa….
C’mon, Pangga, why would you assume that I am Jun Lozada himself. You are giving me too much credit, I don’t think I’d be able to do what he has done, placed himself illuminated by the light of truth, and be the subjected of ridicule by those who profit from the hardships of the Filipino People.
Pangga, can you give me an idea of what the Philippines could have done, and possibilities for the Philippines if our darn leaders were decent enough not to have enriched themselves? I would want to run this and compare, if it is in sync with what the international bankers have shared with me.
Bernie, are you fishing for evidence? Does it mean or are you admitting your accusations are unfounded and baseless that you need to see the documents of NEDA first to back your accusations? How did you come to the conclusion that there were anomalies who you don’t have concrete evidence to back you up. Are you saying that if I accuse you as being a thief, you will allow me to search your house and look for incriminating evidence? Jun is no small fry. He was the president of a government corporation. He himself admitted his guilt when presented the evidence in his face. Are you saying Gloria should admit her guilt likewise based on the testimonies of Jun that did not link Gloria to the so-called ZTE deal? Didn’t Joey de Venecia clear the President herself that she is not involved in this case? And you want her to admit her guilt? Where in the law books can you find where an accused should admit her based on absence of evidence. Sige nga, pakisagot lang.
KEN, just my gut feel. If you’re not him, I have no problem with that. I’m glad you mentioned Jun’s admission go guilt when confronted by Miriam w/ documentary evidence.
Since the case is already w/ DOJ for investigation and not yet in court by the way, JUN still has the chance to explain himself on these cases filed against him w/ the prosecutor’s office. Not yet sub judice. How about it, JUN?
Pangga :
Not to avoid your posting on the shenanigans which Jun has admitted. As mentioned, he has admitted them to the nation if not the whole world, some foreign press were there I think.
Miriam’s accusations : Jun said Mea Culpa. Even added, compared to what Gloria and cohorts are doing and have done, his was pang intramurals lang, yung kina Gloria pang NBA.
Land : If this public documents, I assume you have read the contract and prohibitions on the lands in question? If not let me, know and perhaps I could give you an idea. Also, I strongly recommend that you check out the other personalities in the list. ASurely hindi lahat iyon ay sa mga kamag anak lang ni Lozada.
Toyota Hi-Lux : NBI said, Jun purchased another Tiyita Hi-Lux as replacement for the one carnapped. Did the NBI ever thought of Insurance? I would like to believe the Cars were insured, comprehensive insurance I would imagine. Perhaps, the NBI could have checked with the insurance company.
Ano pa ba? South Rail ? North Rail? Hello Garci? Fertilizer ni Joc-Joc? Bahay ng mga Sundalo? Tubig ng mga mahihirap? OWWA Funds?, Philhealth? refresh my memory please….
Pangga :
You see, decent postings are answered, and opinions provided. I just did not want the children to be used, thats all_as in the previous posting.
Cheers!
KEN: “Why was the glass in the portrait of Jose Rizal broken? On Miriam Santiago’s mention of Lozada’s family benfiting from PHILFOREST, like, giving of lands among others. I suggest you get this list, and find who got what lands and the terms on this contested lands. As far as I know the mission of Philforest was to make idle lands become more productive.”
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Why was the glass in Rizal’s portrail broken? Could it be that the evidence was hidden inside the frame? Could it be that somebody was not a fan of Rizal but an avid admirer of Bonifacio? Would this suggest that there was a raid? Jun Lozada said it was a raid but the NBI said it wasn’t. All they had done was to ask for the documents from the officers of the company? Was there a raid? I don’t think so. In Lozada’s paranoid mind, there was.
KEN: It was Jun first who brought up the youth, I supposed children were included. I only asked him what credibility does he have to address the youth when he himself is not a good example for the youth because he is a womanizer siring illegitimate children. Did I bash the children in my post. No, it is just a narration of facts.
The bottom line is credibility.
Now Pangga, whether Raid or Not, that is the question. Since there would always be Two versions of the story, we may never find out the truth on this. But hopefully we could find out the TRUTH on the bigger issues and tasks at hand. The anomalies and scandals that is rocking Gloria’s administration, and hopefully we could go back and another look see athe previous administrations as well. This could be done, when the people have mustered enough strenght and maturity as to demand a genuine change in how our leaders should act and dispense their duties.
Bonifacio and Rizal were parallel in thoughts on how the revolution should be conducted. You could have meant Aguinaldo iso Bonofacio.
Frames could be easily opened, It is a NO BRAINER, there could be latches or simple wires holding the portrait, which could have been easily removed. There was no need to break the glass.
okay mates I have got to run some errands, catch y’all later!
Cheers!
PS. Pangga, now I am enjoying your posts…
keep on blogging! tell to the world what you really know!
Jonas, sino ba naman ang ayaw malutas ang problema natin sa corruption? Gustong gusto ko yan. Pero, dapat naman ang testigo dapat panindigan mi JUN ang kanyang sinasabi w/ evidence at hindi hearsays lang. Tignan mo si Clarissa Ocampo. Yan ang tunay na testigo. Mayroon siyang ebidensyang pinanghahawakan. Hindi itong Lozada na kaya lumantad ay dahil naburilyaso ang kontrata nila Joey de Venecia III na natalong bidder. E, magkasabwat ang dalawang ito e. Pakinggan mo yung taped conversation nila. Huwag kang bulag at bingi sa katotohanan. - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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Bale lumalabas hinuhusgahan mo na si Lozada kahit na wala pa sa korte ang usapin. Ngayon pa lang pinawawalang bisa mo na ang nakikita at naririnig mo mula sa kanya. Is that fair? Si Clarissa Ocampo nagpahayag sa korte, si Lozada wala pa sa korte. Si Ms. Ocampo na-interrogate, na cross-examined at na-confront ng mga abogado ng kabilang panig sa isang proseso na masasabi nating transparent at level playing field. Can we say the same sa parte ni Lozada? Hindi baga’t parang nagtatago pa nga ‘yung mga inakusahan n’ya? Sabi mo magkasabwat si Lozada at Joey DV. O, hindi ba’t mas mainam dahil madaling igupo at talunin kung tutoo nga ang alegasyon mo? Hindi ba’t mas madaling makipag-diskurso kung alam mo ang mali at kahinaan ng kabila? Sa debate o diskusyon pa lang maipapakita mo na ang kahinaan ni Lozada at hindi na kailangan pang magtago agad sa paghahanap ng ebidensiya. Actually, nagtatanong ka ng evidence samantalang nagsusumigaw na sa harapan mo ang ebidensiya: testimonial evidence. Sabi mo hearsay. Ano ang hearsay sa sinabi ni Lozada na may anomalya sa ZTE deal? Hindi ba’t inamin din ni Gloria Arroyo na may anomalya nga? Sino bulag at bingi ngayon? ‘Yung taped conversation ni Lozada at Joey DV kung iisipin mo si Ben Abalos ang nadidiin do’n. Unlike sa Garci tapes na nadiin si Gloria at Garci ‘yang sinasabi mong Lozada-Joey tape si Abalos ang pinag-uusapan nila. Kung mapapatuyanang nagsisinungaling si Lozada aba dapat siyang paruhasan sa katarantaduhan na ginawa n’ya. No one is above the law. Pero in the meantime naghahamon at naglalahad siya sa kanyang ibinulgar palagay ko we have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Unless, meron kang sinusuportahan do’n sa mga inaakusahan ni Lozada I don’t think making alibis and discrediting Lozada is the proper thing to do.
KEN: It was Jun first who brought up the youth, I supposed children were included. I only asked him what credibility does he have to address the youth when he himself is not a good example for the youth because he is a womanizer siring illegitimate children. Did I bash the children in my post. No, it is just a narration of facts.
The bottom line is credibility. = ANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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I think you are twisting the facts. You questioned the credibility of Lozada but you refused to state why. He’s not talking about fidelity to the youth. He’s talking about corruption in gov’t. which the youth should not emulate. So what credibility are you talking about? You have to be specific. Not because one has extra-marital affair one is no longer capable of telling the truth. Not because one has failed in his personal affair one should no longer be believed in everything he say and do. That’s a fallacy. That’s a cover-up and that’s a lie.
Jonas, hinuhusgahan ko si Lozada? Ano pa nga ba? Di ba umamin na siya sa Senado sa mga kalokohang ginawa niya sa Phil Forest? Ano pa bang ebidensyang hinahanap mo?Siya na mismo ang nagdiin sa sarili niya? Hay, mabuti na lang at may YouTube na. Ito ang ebidensya ko. Ano ang ebidensya mo o kayo ni Lozada?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXvOMawdeMI
Jun Lozada: Madam Senator, I will admit to that…. etc. …… (the rest padrama effect)
Yes, I admit to that…. mea culpa.
Jonas : I think you are twisting the facts. You questioned the credibility of Lozada but you refused to state why. He’s not talking about fidelity to the youth. He’s talking about corruption in gov’t. which the youth should not emulate. So what credibility are you talking about? You have to be specific. Not because one has extra-marital affair one is no longer capable of telling the truth. Not because one has failed in his personal affair one should no longer be believed in everything he say and do. That’s a fallacy. That’s a cover-up and that’s a lie.
Try hard, Jonas, try harder in defense of the indefensible. Why should I not question his credibility by citing his immorality and shenanigans as public official. What gall does he have to talk to the youth and talk against corruption and morality when he himself is corrupt and immoral? Has he publicly repented on these? No, grudgingly when he was cornered by Sen. Santiago, he admitted them.His character bespeaks of his credibility and motives. That’s why in a court of law, the character of a witness is either bolstered or demolished by opposing lawyers in order to establish his credibility or lack of credibility. My point is Lozada’s speaking to the youth against corruption is hypocrisy. There are more credible people other Jun to speak against corruption and morality. Please spare the youth.
Try hard, Jonas, try harder in defense of the indefensible. Why should I not question his credibility by citing his immorality and shenanigans as public official. What gall does he have to talk to the youth and talk against corruption and morality when he himself is corrupt and immoral? Has he publicly repented on these? No, grudgingly when he was cornered by Sen. Santiago, he admitted them.His character bespeaks of his credibility and motives. That’s why in a court of law, the character of a witness is either bolstered or demolished by opposing lawyers in order to establish his credibility or lack of credibility. My point is Lozada’s speaking to the youth against corruption is hypocrisy. There are more credible people other Jun to speak against corruption and morality. Please spare the youth. - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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I’m not trying to defend anybody I’m just using my common sense and being fair. Aren’t you glad that Lozada did not lie before Sen. Santiago. For that alone you should instead give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He did not lie and he met Santiago’s inquiry head on. He answered each question thrown at him in the Senate. Can you say the same with the other characters in the case like Abalos, Mike Arroyo, etc.? You keep on attacking Lozada’s credibility when according to you he already admitted on things that implicated him. Isn’t that strange? What logic do you have when a person tells the truth and even admits his wrongdoing and you still take it against him? What is hypocrisy in telling the truth? What is hypocrisy in admitting a wrong? YOU just said that Lozada admitted before Santiago the wrongs he did. Is telling or admitting the truth hypocrisy to you? My golly! When you say hypocrites you should be able to identify what it is. Hypocrites are those who lie or tho who cannot face the truth. Hypocrites are those who are in denial; who makes alibi and twisted reasonings. Hypocrites are those who are bereft of logic and common sense. If Lozada is the hypocrites you want the youth to be protected from, I pray that there should be millions of “hypocrites” to go around our schools to tell to our youth about corruption in government. You talk about the court of law. Why bother with it? The court can take itself and there is a process there. If Lozada is lying he will get his comeuppance before the court of justice. In the meantime, the issue is before us. What is called upon is our individual perspective, opinion or ideas about the matter. If a heated discussion or debate is necessary so be it.
Jonas, hinuhusgahan ko si Lozada? Ano pa nga ba? Di ba umamin na siya sa Senado sa mga kalokohang ginawa niya sa Phil Forest? Ano pa bang ebidensyang hinahanap mo?Siya na mismo ang nagdiin sa sarili niya? Hay, mabuti na lang at may YouTube na. Ito ang ebidensya ko. Ano ang ebidensya mo o kayo ni Lozada?
Jun Lozada: Madam Senator, I will admit to that…. etc. …… (the rest padrama effect)
Yes, I admit to that…. mea culpa. - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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Salamat naman at inamin mong hinusgahan mo ng mali si Lozada. Ang ebidensiya mo mali kasi it is not an evidence anymore. It is a mere alibi you want to use to divert the focus of the discussion. Umamin na nga e sinisi mo pa? Kung nagsinungaling at may “evidence” ka, good! E, ‘yung “evidence” mo is an “evidence” made by Lozada. You did not get it from another source. You don’t believe liars you believe those who tell the truth. And Lozada told the truth. So, weak ‘yung criticismx mo kay Lozada dahil baseless. Binabaligtad mo ang facts. Walang credibility ang sinungaling. Ikaw mismo sinasabi mo inamin ni Lozada ang tutoo sa Senado so he has credibility. You just want to play blind about it. Bottom line: Panggalatok Numero Uno, you are muddling the issue. Your attack against Lozada is baseless.
Bakit maraming sumusuporta kay JLO? Dahil suspetsa nila na MAY KATOTOHANAN ANG SINASABI NIYA. SUSPETSA RIN NILA NA MAY KINALAMAN ANG PRESIDENTE SA MGA ANOMALYA NA ITO.
Bakit marami ang bumabatikos kay JLO? DAHIL AYON SA KANILA SI JLO AY WALANG CRIDIBILIDAD DAHIL ISA RIN SYA SA MGA MANDARAMBONG SA GOBIERNO. PERO HINDI NILA SINASABI NA WALANG ANOMALYA SA ZTE SCANDAL.
KUNG SI JLO AY HINDI DAPAT PANIWALAAN….SINO DAPAT ANG ATING PUWEDENG PANIWALAAN…YONG TAONG WALANG KINALAMAN SA ZTE…O YONG TAONG KASABWAT MISMO SA MGA NEGOSASYON SA ZTE?
BAKIT ANG MGA TAONG GOBIERNO KAMUKHA NI ROMY NERI AY PINAGBABAWALANG TUMESTIGO SA SENADO NG PALASYO? DAHIL BA SYA AY MAS MAY CREDIBILIDAD KAYSA KAY JLO? Seguro sa ngayon… pero kapag siya ay bumaliktad na sa aking palagay ay MAWAWALA RIN ANG KANYANG CREDIBILIDAD PARA SA MGA TAON BUMABATIKOS KAY JLO.
Haay naku! Kayo’y nag-aaway pa! Mga MAGNANAKAW NA MAN TAYO LAHAT, EH! ANG MGA PINOY AY NATURAL NA MAGNANAKAW! Just LET IT BE para walang away!
TO MAKE THE STORY SHORT, LET US VOTE FOR BF FOR PRESIDENT !!!
@PILOSOPOTASYO: Ang testigo na matapang at kaya niyang panindigan ang kanyang mga paratang sa korte….. yan ang hinahanap ko kay Lozada na puro daldal at wala namang maipakitang ebidensya. Puro hearsays. Naalala mo ba si Clarissa Ocampo noong siya’y tumestigo laban kay Presidente Erap Estrada. Ito ang kanyang testimonya:
“The President — Joseph Ejercito Estrada. Sir, I was about one foot away because I was seated next to him (Estrada) by his left side.”
– Prosecution witness Clarissa Ocampo said when was asked to identify the signatory of the Jose Velarde bank account .
Yan, pare, ang matapang at kapanipaniwalang testigo. Matapang at matapat. Ang kanyang testimoniya ay kapanipaniwala dahil merong siyang collaborated testimonial and documentary evidence.
Ikompara mo nga yan sa idolo mong si Lozada?
@panga
di ba sinabi na nga ni jun na kasangkot si abalos dito? di pa ba katapangan yun para sayo na magbigay ng testimonya ang isang testigo laban sa isang chairman ng comelec? ano ang ebidensya? ang testimonya ni neri sa senado na “sec may 200 ka dito”. ano pa ebidensya? ang pagkansela ni gloria sa kontrata dahil sa nakita niyang may katwalian ito. malabo pa ba sayo ito? alin dito ang di mo pinaniniwalaan? ano pa ba ang makakapagkumbinsi sayo?
caught on text messages!!!!!!
THE TRUTH!!!
gloria:cguraduhin yung budget para sa mga blog writers ni Lozada,lalu na si rod hes been consistent with all my instructions…….
xburger:yes mam budget is alloted to them,their doing their best to bring that blog down.
gloria:salamat kung ganon…
caught on text messages!!!!!!
ANG KATOTOHANAN!!
gloria:cguraduhin yung budget para sa mga blog writers ni Lozada,lalu na si rod hes been consistent with all my instructions…….
xburger:yes mam budget is alloted to them,their doing their best to bring that blog down.
gloria:salamat kung ganon…
Ayaw ko kay BF, gusto ko Jun Lozada for President, Lets support!
Jun Lozada for President and JDV III for Vice President, para kunin nila si Former Speaker na Adiviser ng Government for 2010, yahoo makaka ahon na ang Pilipinas sa Hirap! Andyan na yung tatlo!
Anong klaseng Blog ito, pag nagcomment ka ng laban sa may akda bayaran ka na, ano ba yan?
mas gusto ko si CABAL for president.. tapos ROD for vice president!!! mukhang magagaling sila at matatalino!!! go CABAL!!! lets vote CABAL!!!! CABAL!!! CABAL!!! CABAL!!! CABAL!!! CABAL!!! ROD ROD ROD!!!!
oo nga anong blog ito.. pag nagcomment naman yung iba laban sa bumabatikos kay lozada.. bayaran ka na rin ni lozada… duh!! bwisit!!
CLARISSA OCAMPO
Clarissa Ocampo was an officer of a bank carrying out legitimate routine duties.
Jun Lozada was misrepresenting NEDA carrying out clandestine illegal activities of that department.
Clarissa Ocampo did not hesitate to testify on the Jose Velarde signature cards and with her at the Palace was another high-ranking officer of the bank. She presented to Senate the “smoking gun”.
Jun Lozada was trying to escape but was practically cornered like a rat. He had no other recourse but to testify. He testified on his participation in a government project that involved illegal kickbacks. His admission of illegal activities was enough to send him to jail. He has no “smoking gun” to present, not even a shred of evidence from a scratch pad. He has no witnesses to back up his statements and accusations.
In the cases of impeachment and plunder against Joseph Estrada, the ex-President did not deny the testimony of Clarissa Ocampo.
Strangely, the religious orders did not come out in support and protect Clarissa whose life at that time must be in gravest danger but why? Surely, Clarissa’s heroism must have exceeded Jun’s by a thousand times. She must have received far more number of death threats than Jun but she proved herself to be a far more courageous human being. Unlike Jun, Clarissa never whimpered and complained about the threats she was receiving.
Clarissa Ocampo and Rodolfo Lozada — they come from totally different upbringing and reputation.
kharry
Clarissa Ocampo and Rodolfo Lozada — they come from totally different upbringing and reputation.
Definitely yes, coz Clarissa has nothing to do with with ZTE and same as Jun has nothing to do with th Erap’s plunder case.. its a nonsense to compare Juan to Pedro.. it may go same way if ever happens that clarissa knows the truth about the ZTE… it really depends kung sino ang gustong pabagsakin ng kung sinong nagmamaneobra ng lahat ng ito.. Clarissa’s profile was not an open book to public.. kase hindi inungkat or sinadyang itago.. or prinotektahan we are not sure.. not like jun.. it was intentionally scandalized to spoiled his credibility… and he has nothing to do but to admit it.. we never know baka si clarissa ay mas grabe pa.. although she is credibly telling the truth as well…
Psalm 15
1O Lord, who may abide in your tent? Who may dwell on your holy hill?
2Those who walk blamelessly, and do what is right, and speak the truth from their heart;
3who do not slander with their tongue, and do no evil to their friends, nor take up a reproach against their neighbors;
4in whose eyes the wicked are despised, but who honor those who fear the Lord; who stand by their oath even to their hurt;
5who do not lend money at interest, and do not take a bribe against the innocent. Those who do these things shall never be moved.
~GOD BLESS THE FILIPINO PEOPLE~
“I’m not trying to defend anybody I’m just using my common sense and being fair. Aren’t you glad that Lozada did not lie before Sen. Santiago. For that alone you should instead give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He did not lie and he met Santiago’s inquiry head on. He answered each question thrown at him in the Senate. Can you say the same with the other characters in the case like Abalos, Mike Arroyo, etc.? You keep on attacking Lozada’s credibility when according to you he already admitted on things that implicated him. Isn’t that strange? What logic do you have when a person tells the truth and even admits his wrongdoing and you still take it against him? What is hypocrisy in telling the truth? What is hypocrisy in admitting a wrong? YOU just said that Lozada admitted before Santiago the wrongs he did. Is telling or admitting the truth hypocrisy to you? My golly! When you say hypocrites you should be able to identify what it is. Hypocrites are those who lie or tho who cannot face the truth. Hypocrites are those who are in denial; who makes alibi and twisted reasonings. Hypocrites are those who are bereft of logic and common sense. If Lozada is the hypocrites you want the youth to be protected from, I pray that there should be millions of “hypocrites” to go around our schools to tell to our youth about corruption in government. You talk about the court of law. Why bother with it? The court can take itself and there is a process there. If Lozada is lying he will get his comeuppance before the court of justice. In the meantime, the issue is before us. What is called upon is our individual perspective, opinion or ideas about the matter. If a heated discussion or debate is necessary so be it.” — JONAS
JONAS, I admire Lozada for admitting his guilt when he was confronted or rather cornered w/ documentary evidence by Sen. Santiago, a former RTC judge. Well, I think he has no choice but to admit them, otherwise he will be charged with perjury as he was under oath. Good move for him. But should we thank him for this and make him a hero out this? Will that admission extinguish his guilt for his wrongdoings? Are you saying that just because he did a “mea culpa” without retribution, he is now as white as snow and qualified to roam around the campuses and talk about corruption in government. What will happen now to the money he malversed for the jathropa project, the cars bought without public bidding, the personal insurance money he invested in Insular Life, the land he distributed to his relatives, the contracts he awarded to his brother’s company, etc? All these are forgotten because Lozada is now your crusader against corruption? Have you asked him if he has already brought back these moneys and properties to the coffers of the government. I don’t think he did. Has he told the students about these shenanigans and made retribution on them? Di ba dapat isauli niya muna ang ninakaw niya bago magpanggap na modelo ng kabataan? Hindi lang dapat pag-amin sa kasalanan, dapat ituwid ang kasalanang nagawa sa pamamagitan ng pagbabalik ng mga nakaw na pera at lupain sa gobierno. That’s what I call hypocrisy when one preaches w/ unclean hands.
MS. BURGLAR :
Definitely yes, coz Clarissa has nothing to do with with ZTE and same as Jun has nothing to do with th Erap’s plunder case.. its a nonsense to compare Juan to Pedro.. it may go same way if ever happens that clarissa knows the truth about the ZTE… it really depends kung sino ang gustong pabagsakin ng kung sinong nagmamaneobra ng lahat ng ito.. Clarissa’s profile was not an open book to public.. kase hindi inungkat or sinadyang itago.. or prinotektahan we are not sure.. not like jun.. it was intentionally scandalized to spoiled his credibility… and he has nothing to do but to admit it.. we never know baka si clarissa ay mas grabe pa.. although she is credibly telling the truth as well…
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Hehehehe, nakakatawa naman yang explanation mo. Napakaillogical naman. Obvious ba na si Clarissa at Jun ibang kaso ang mga tinetestigohan nila. Bakit hindi pwedeng ikompara yung dalawa since pareho naman silang nagtestigo sa alleged anomalies sa gobierno.
Si Clarissa : may matibay na ebidensya;
si Jun : puro tsismis lang at may acting na nagpapakawawa.
Itong pa ang komparison:
Si Clarissa is a respected officer of a private bank. Wala siyang bahid ng katiwalaan sa pribado o gobierno. Marangal na tao. Credible witness.
Si Jun ay umaming maraming kabalbalang ginawa sa opisinang gobierno na pinaglingkuran niya. Napatunayang may mistress at anak sa labas. Mababa ang kredibilidad.
Sana maintindihan mong mabuti ito.
panga, ang issue ay “sino ang kasangkot sa ZTE deal” .. hindi ang “SINO ANG MODELO NG KABATAAN”
si clarissa prinotektahan.. si jun sinadyang sirain.. kalaban kase
si jun nagsasabi ng totoo pero ayaw paniwalaan.. nagpafabricate ng kung ano anong papel at ibidensya ang palasyo para sirain ang testimonya ni jun… si clarissa nagsasabi rin ng totoo at siya rin ang gustong paniwalaan.. bobo si erap kaya di alam gagawin pano ang pagcover up… si gloria ay evil kaya expert sa pag cover up..
no doubt clarissa is credible and respected person as we only knows.. di naman pinag usapan ang buhay niyan eh.. pero parang mali rin ang logic na pag corrupt ay din pede tumestigo laban sa corruption kahit siya ang nakasaksi..
PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO: Di ba dapat isauli niya (Jlo) muna ang ninakaw niya bago magpanggap na modelo ng kabataan?
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Bakit ba ganoon na lamang ang panggagalaiti mo kay Jlo? Maaaring tama ang lahat na sinabi mo tungkol sa kaniya, pero, tingnan mo naman kung ano ang nagawa niya para sa ‘yo, para sa atin. Dahil sa kanyang madramang pag-iingay, napilitan ang idol mo na kanselahin ang CTE-NBN contract. Alam mo ba kung gaano kahalaga ang kontrata? 329 million dollars! Kung natuloy ito, ganoon sana kalaki ang utang natin. Sobra pa ang halagang ito para mabigyan natin ng maayos na kubeta ang ating mga paaralan sa buong bansa. Sapat na ba na basta na lang pasasalamat ang ibigay natin kay Jlo? Hindi ba dapat ay may porsiyento siya sa kinita ng pamahalaan? Sa halip na magpasalamat, ano’ng ginagawa mo? Hindi ba tawag diyan ay walang utang na loob? Hindi ba ang batas para sa lahat ay: parusa para sa kasamaan, at gantimpala para sa kabutihan. Ano’ng masasabi mo kaibigang ROD? May sagot ba rito ang cut and paste mo?
caught on text messages!!!!!!
gloria/xburger/rod SABWATAN!!!!!!
gloria:cguraduhin yung budget para sa mga blog writers ni Lozada,lalu na si rod hes been consistent with all my instructions…….
xburger:yes mam budget is alloted to them,their doing their best to bring that blog down.
gloria:salamat kung ganon…
Tax Joven anf MS Buglar, hello sa inyo. New blogger ako sa site and it’s great to see new bloggers aside from the regulars.
Tax you are correct what you said about Jun and his disclosure about the NBN deal. Again, he could have just kept his mouth shut and EARNED millions instead of now being ridiculed by the government. If I was on his shoes, I would have accepted the bribe and still kept my position as president of a government department. BUT JLo decided to spill the beans and now he and his family are suffering. Look at NERI, isn’t he reaping his rewards for shutting his mouth?
You say JLO has no credibility? I say he has more credibilty than GMA, FG, Abalos, Gonzales, Bunye et al.
Jun had to talk because he was cornered and if he didn’t come out clean, Joey is going to blow the whistle on him. That’s why many people do not consider him to be a hero. Jun played with fire and got burned.
TAX JOVEN, bago pa lumabas yang idol mo na corner kaya tumestigo dahil sa mga generous offers ng Patritotic Fund ni Lacson, kinansela na yang kontrata na yan. Hindi kinansela yan dahil sa kanyang testimony. Masyado mo namang masyadong binibigyan ng credit yang probinsiyanong Intsik na naggogolf sa Wack Wack.
TAX JOVEN, mag-Google ka muna at kunin mo ang mga dates kung kailan kinansela ang ZTE contract at kung kailan lumabas si Lozada.
Bernie B, hello sa iyo din. Huwag mo naman kaming kalimutang batiin dito at tayo’y parehong Pilipino. Hehehehe.
E, ‘yung “evidence” mo is an “evidence” made by Lozada. You did not get it from another source. You don’t believe liars you believe those who tell the truth. And Lozada told the truth. So, weak ‘yung criticismx mo kay Lozada dahil baseless. Binabaligtad mo ang facts. Walang credibility ang sinungaling. Ikaw mismo sinasabi mo inamin ni Lozada ang tutoo sa Senado so he has credibility. You just want to play blind about it. Bottom line: Panggalatok Numero Uno, you are muddling the issue. Your attack against Lozada is baseless. — JONAS
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JONAS, Teka muna, bago ito makalampas. Who’s twisting the facts? It was not Lozada who provided the evidence against him. The documentary evidence were presented by Sen. Miriam Santiago which forced Jun to admit his shenanigans in his office. Ano ka ba naman. I have already posted here the YouTube video which showed Jun admitting to his
wrongdoings based on the evidence presented by Sen Santiago. Are you saying that those documentary evidence cannot be used against him in court. Aba, ibang klaseng rules of evidence ang ginagamit mo.
So, who is twisting the facts, then?
TAX JOVEN : I’ll help you out w/ the time line
Cancellation of ZTE Contract —- October 2, 2007
Link: http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/oct/03/yehey/top_stories/20071003top1.html
Jun Lozada’s First Appearance in the Senate: February 8, 2008
Link: http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Web%20Exclusives&p=64&type=2&sec=7&aid=200802082
Therefore, the cancellation of the contract came first before Jun Lozada’s testimony.
Mukhang may embellishment naman dito. Check your facts first. If ever, we should credit the Senate investigation for the cancellation of the contract, not Lozada. To much nuthugging yata ang nangyayari dito. Hehehehehe.
Rodolfo Noel Lozada Jr., a not so silent partner in government corruption anymore. A hero who is willing to tolerate 20% kickback in South Rail Project, or in any government procurement project, for as long as permissible in his own moral standard. Crooks in government would be delighted to have him as their boss. His protectors in Greenhills should teach him that there is no difference between stealing P100 and P100M.
Yes, who can’t forget the Lozada buzzword, “permissible zone” of corruption. Ang isda, ika nga, nahuhuli sa sariling bibig. Hahahahaha!
To refresh you about “PERMISSIBLE ZONE” and “FORBIDDEN ZONE” according to JUN LOZADA:
In explaining, Lozada spoke of his personal “permissible zone” and “forbidden zone” levels when it came to commissions from government projects. He said kickbacks of 22 percent were a “norm” in government transactions.
Lozada admitted he himself was no saint when it came to taking advantage of his former government post as Philforest president. He said with a smile that his permissible zone had just been blown away by Santiago.
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Please take note of the ***personal***. Hehehehe. Ang dami talaga nating natutunan tungkol sa Corruption 101 from Mr. Jun Lozada, the Idol of the Youth.
caught on text messages!!!!!!
TAPATAN………………………..
gloria:cguraduhin yung budget para sa mga blog writers ni Lozada,lalu na si rod hes been consistent with all my instructions…….
xburger:yes mam budget is alloted to them,their doing their best to bring that blog down.
gloria:salamat kung ganon…
Kharry! Wow! You seem to know the inner working of Jun’s and Joey’s minds! THat Jun was cornered, and Joey was going to squeal on him??? Are you by any chance a friend or relative of both? Had Jun wanted a quiet life, it was so easy. Up till the time that he was in La Salle already, didn’t the palace send emissaries in the form of Mike Defensor, and Gaite/ I urge you to look at the senate hearing transcripts again. This was admitted by both Defensor and Gaite. They also both concurred that they gave Jun some money, WHICH was returned during the hearing for EVERYONE to see that he was still being bribed by the palace, EVEN after the botched kidnapping. Mga pakimkim lang yun, ika nga pang grocery daw ni Jun…Meaning??? More to come, just keep quiet. It would have been so easy for him to just take the money and run, and keep a good position in government! Now, who are you idolizing? FG, Gloria? Abalos? Atienza? Razon? Leo San Miguel??? Oh, I’m sure these are very upright citizens, who never touched a penny of the taxpayers money! PWEH!!!!
That’s why some people stole 6 billion in ONE transaction, wala naman palang diperensiya eh…duh!
I noticed that SOMEONE ( a foul mouthed Jun hater) , has finally learned better grammar, and sentence construction. It seems like, somebody took over the identity of one blogger here. Yung supervisor na niya ata. Si Lore - LIE Fajardo!
# PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO — June 19, 2008 #
TAX JOVEN, mag-Google ka muna at kunin mo ang mga dates kung kailan kinansela ang ZTE contract at kung kailan lumabas si Lozada.
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PANGGAL, pakibasa lang ang nasa ibaba, at saka mo sabihin kung sino sa atin ang dapat mag-google. Siyanga pala, salamat sa ‘yo’t naisip ko na hindi naman yata dapat na masolo ni Jlo ang karangalan sa pagkakatutop sa mga masisibang mga taong nagsipagtangkang magnakaw.
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Arroyo caught in web of own lies
By Neal Cruz
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 23:18:00 02/26/2008
MANILA, Philippines — So she did know. President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo was finally forced to admit that she knew as early as last April that the ZTE national broadband network (NBN) contract was anomalous. (My column last Monday, which asked if she knew, was written on Saturday. She made her admission last Sunday.) She said in a radio interview she “moved swiftly” to cancel the deal “the moment I learned there was the slightest suspicion of anomaly” in the project.
“Moved swiftly”? “The moment” she learned? It was five months later, on Oct. 2, 2007, that she scrapped the deal, and only after the stink became unbearable when Joey de Venecia III testified in the Senate and exposed the bribe offer to him and the involvement of her husband Mike Arroyo, and Commission on Higher Education Chair Romulo Neri revealed that he was offered a P200-million bribe. That’s “moving swiftly” “the moment” she learned?
On the contrary, she still went ahead and took the trouble to go to China to witness the signing of the contract between Chinese firm ZTE Corp. and our Department of Transportation and Communications instead of canceling it “swiftly.”
“How can you cancel it on the eve of the signing?” was her lame excuse. “We would lose face.”
Why would we lose face if we cancelled an anomalous deal? On the contrary, she should have been proud to cancel it because she was nipping corruption in the bud.
She should not have gone to China to witness the signing in the first place. She had a good reason not to. Her husband was seriously ill, having just survived a life-threatening heart operation. She didn’t have to be there. But no, she left his sickbed and took the trouble to go to China to witness the signing of what she knew was an anomalous contract.
She was afraid to lose face before the president of China but not to 90 million of her countrymen? She is not only losing face now but may also lose her presidency because she was afraid to “lose face” before one man.
The ZTE deal was only one of many contracts to be signed that day. The non-signing of the ZTE contract would not have been noticed. As it turned out, the Chinese president didn’t mind when told about it later. “He understood,” she herself said.
Despite her admission, I think the President is still not telling everything. She did not say that she did not cancel the deal immediately because she was still hoping it would go through. Sayang naman ang $70 million commission that her hubby was promised. At that time, that was worth P3.5 billion (that’s billion!), enough to retire on in comfort in Monte Carlo or on a Caribbean island when she is out of power here. In fact, that must have been the reason she took pains to go to China — to show that she was behind the deal so it would push through.
That is why she used all her subordinates and allies to justify the deal and deny that there was any irregularity. That is why she officially declared in September last year that “after an investigation” they found “no hard evidence for junking the deal.” That is why she prevented her Cabinet secretaries, through Executive Order 464, from testifying in the Senate. That is why she used all the President’s men to abduct Rodolfo Noel Lozada Jr., threaten him, force him to sign false affidavits and try to bribe him to prevent him from testifying in the Senate.
Only when the people, after hearing Lozada, demanded her resignation and fearing that the protest movements may escalate into another people power that may force her out of Malacañang did she deign to admit that she knew last April of the anomaly. It was an attempt to defuse the anger of the people and perhaps save her. But it only got her deeper in the muck. That’s what happens when you lie. You are caught in the web of contradictions of your own lies.
If she knew as early as last April that the ZTE deal was anomalous, then she must have been lying in September when she declared there was “no hard evidence for junking the deal.”
And what happens now to Transportation and Communications Secretary Leandro Mendoza and Undersecretary Lorenzo Formoso, as well as other officials who have been insisting that the ZTE deal is above board? With Ms Arroyo’s admission that it was anomalous, it is clear that they have been lying through their teeth all along. They should come out now and make a clean breast of it and apologize to the people. It is obvious that Ms Arroyo will not hesitate to sacrifice them to save her neck.
More and more, the ZTE deal is becoming Ms Arroyo’s Watergate. Like US President Richard Nixon then, she is sacrificing her loyal men to save herself. But like Watergate, the investigation is peeling layer after layer of cover-up to reveal the ugly secrets. All that is needed now to complete the picture is for one more official (like Neri?) to be stricken by his conscience (and also to save himself) and tell all. And for her allies in Congress to tell her the jig is up. Then she can take the honorable way out and step down like Nixon did.
Of course, what she did — allow an anomalous deal — as well as other illegal things she had done earlier are grounds for impeachment. But those who want her impeached better prepare the impeachment complaint early enough, otherwise another Oliver Lozano may beat them into filing a weak impeachment complaint this July to save her, again, from a more serious one.
Presidential adviser Joey Salceda is right, she “is the luckiest bitch alive.” She should have been impeached a long time ago were it not for the quickness of the Oliver Lozanos and the slowness of opposition leaders, the immoderate greed of congressmen, the fear and indifference of public officials in the know, and the apathy of many Filipinos. And having Noli de Castro as the Vice President.”
JONAS, Teka muna, bago ito makalampas. Who’s twisting the facts? It was not Lozada who provided the evidence against him. The documentary evidence were presented by Sen. Miriam Santiago which forced Jun to admit his shenanigans in his office. Ano ka ba naman. I have already posted here the YouTube video which showed Jun admitting to his
wrongdoings based on the evidence presented by Sen Santiago. Are you saying that those documentary evidence cannot be used against him in court. Aba, ibang klaseng rules of evidence ang ginagamit mo.
So, who is twisting the facts, then? - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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YOU, PNU are using Lozada’s statements in the Senate as evidence of your opposition to him. And you got it from him. Whether he was forced or not to admit it, it came from him and you now using it against him. Tell me, did he tried to lie or avoid questions in the Senate? Hindi ba’t buong giting n’yang hinarap to the point that he acknowledge some faults on his part with regard to some acts he made? So, ano basis nuong mga sinasabi mo against sa kanya? Wala akong sinasabing the evidence cannot be used against him. Ang sinasabi ko lang e strange ‘yung basis mo for contradicting him. Like I said how can you contradict somebody who is not lying? IKAW na nga mismo sinasabi mo umamin si Lozada e. Dapat you contradict somebody who lies and who avoid to admit wrongdoings. You go against somebody who presents false facts. Who fool the people. Hindi ba? Tanong: Why do you contradict yourself?
Rodolfo Noel Lozada Jr., a not so silent partner in government corruption anymore. A hero who is willing to tolerate 20% kickback in South Rail Project, or in any government procurement project, for as long as permissible in his own moral standard. Crooks in government would be delighted to have him as their boss. His protectors in Greenhills should teach him that there is no difference between stealing P100 and P100M.
Yes, who can’t forget the Lozada buzzword, “permissible zone” of corruption. Ang isda, ika nga, nahuhuli sa sariling bibig. Hahahahaha! - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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Granting na tutoo ‘yang sinasabi mo, bakit si Lozada lang ang binibira mo? Why don’t go deeper and include also the big fishes above him? Selective yata memory mo when it comes to corruption? Very weak ang logic ng atake mo kay Lozada. You can still convince others, including me, but you have to do better than that. Your allegations has no legs. Kaya lalong tumitibay at nagiging credible si Lozada e dahil sa mga taong kagaya mo na who make baseless and incredible allegations. Ako, I’m willing to listen, to debate or agree with anybody who can present facts laden with fairness and common sense. Kapag fairy tale ang istorya madaling gibain.
kung wala din namn sense at laman na katotohanan ang comment ng iba wag na lng magsalita kc pinapababa nyo lng sarili niyo….if you sincerely are seeking for the truth your choice of words would speak a lot….ang dating kc chika na lng….for those who stand by the truth…no need to be afraid bec. the truth itself will be the one to defend u…just as what the truth had been doing now to kuya Jun….
JONAS, I admire Lozada for admitting his guilt when he was confronted or rather cornered w/ documentary evidence by Sen. Santiago, a former RTC judge. Well, I think he has no choice but to admit them, otherwise he will be charged with perjury as he was under oath. Good move for him. But should we thank him for this and make him a hero out this? Will that admission extinguish his guilt for his wrongdoings? Are you saying that just because he did a “mea culpa” without retribution, he is now as white as snow and qualified to roam around the campuses and talk about corruption in government. What will happen now to the money he malversed for the jathropa project, the cars bought without public bidding, the personal insurance money he invested in Insular Life, the land he distributed to his relatives, the contracts he awarded to his brother’s company, etc? All these are forgotten because Lozada is now your crusader against corruption? Have you asked him if he has already brought back these moneys and properties to the coffers of the government. I don’t think he did. Has he told the students about these shenanigans and made retribution on them? Di ba dapat isauli niya muna ang ninakaw niya bago magpanggap na modelo ng kabataan? Hindi lang dapat pag-amin sa kasalanan, dapat ituwid ang kasalanang nagawa sa pamamagitan ng pagbabalik ng mga nakaw na pera at lupain sa gobierno. That’s what I call hypocrisy when one preaches w/ unclean hands. - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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You are conveniently muddling the issue. You are accusing Lozada of wrongdoing. That’s fine, if you have evidence naturally you will file a case or complaint. But is that really the whole picture? Wasn’t Lozada got in the picture because the Senate wanted to question him NOT because of HIS corruption but because of the ZTE broadband deal? That is the issue. The central and most important issue. Sabi mo corrupt din si Lozada. Possible. Maaaring guilty rin siya pero you cannot use that to ignore what the real issue is in the first place. Ang linaw, tumatalon ka. First things first. ‘Yung mga isyu kay Lozada, if he is found guilty, he should be held accountable and punish. Pero don’t try to avoid why he is now in the eye of the storm: the corruption in the broadband deal. Sa ginagawa mo, you are letting some people go unnoticed and unscathed. Para mo na ring sinabi na si Lozada lang ang corrupt. Nasaan naman ang fairness d’yan? Bakit tila baga puro sa “kaso” lang ni Lozada ka nagco-concentrate? Bakit tila baga ayaw mong masali ‘yung iba? Strange indeed.
Hoy mga nagboblog dito magsawa naman kayo!!!! wala kayong mapapala na dito sa blog ni lozada LAOS na yan…. wala ng nakikinig dyan….. hindi na yan ang uso ngayon…. mag hanap na lang kayo ng pag-kakakitaan nyo….. wag nyun sayangin ang oras nyu dyan sa buwisit na lozada na yan…. malaki na ang pera na naabuloy dyan sa buwisit na yan 20 million na ang na donate dyan …. kayo uto-uto pa rin dyan!!!!
kharry, nagsalita c kuya Jun bec. he listened to what his heart dictates…and he did it in prayer…he discerened over it…ganun ang nangyayari kapag nagdadasal ang isang tao….he cannot refuse to stand for what is right and what is good…what kuya Jun did was simply right…yun sana ang kapulutan mo ng aral…
jo ty,
kung wlang kwenta tong blog na to…eh bat ka nakikisali….it only shows na meron ka concern sa kapwa mo…sayang pala oras eh bat ka sumulat dito…ano ba yan..contraditory man yan sa salita mo….this is a free country….we want to get involve and for us this is one way…sna repetuhin mo yun….those money come from the genrosity of other people…are you jealous bec. they are generous to kuya jun…unless gusto mo makishare…just asking….lumabas ka rin kc para matulungan ka…ganun lng yun…
correction…error sa pagmamadali….words i used for jo ty…
contradictory…respetuhin and generosity….thanks!
Bernadette:
Sad to disappoint you, but all those individuals that you mentioned has never earned my respect.
Jun was really cornered for where else can he run? He can never have a quiet life even if he wanted to. He is up to his neck in mud and unless he can bribe the opposition senators, they will never let him go. If he doesn’t talk, the charge is contempt; and if he lies the charge is perjury.
Actually, if it were not for Joey who knew all the inside dealings, Jun could have easily lied his way out by claiming ignorance on the kickback. He can simply pass the ball to Romy who is protected by the President.
Whether Jun and Joey are in cahoots or not, we do not know. For sure, Joey is going to blow the whistle if Jun double-crosses him or doesn’t cooperate.
Jo ty, kami’y walang napapala. Ikaw ba’y meron? Kami’y nagsasayang ng oras. Ikaw ba’y hindi? Masuwerte ka. Mas matalino ka kaysa amin.
Jo TY “Hoy mga nagboblog dito magsawa naman kayo!!!! wala kayong mapapala na dito sa blog ni lozada LAOS na yan…. wala ng nakikinig dyan….. hindi na yan ang uso ngayon…. mag hanap na lang kayo ng pag-kakakitaan nyo….. wag nyun sayangin ang oras nyu dyan sa buwisit na lozada na yan…. malaki na ang pera na naabuloy dyan sa buwisit na yan 20 million na ang na donate dyan …. kayo uto-uto pa rin dyan!!!!
kaya nga paulit ulit lang ang sagutan eh pareho namng mga corrupt ang pinagtatangol nila. BF for president para magbago ang pinas at maging disisplina ang mga mamamayan at marunogn sumunod sa batas. BF for president siya lang ang talagang nagtratrabaho di gaya ng iba diyan panay papogi lang ang ginagawa.
Hoy mga nagboblog dito magsawa naman kayo!!!! wala kayong mapapala na dito sa blog ni lozada LAOS na yan…. wala ng nakikinig dyan….. hindi na yan ang uso ngayon…. mag hanap na lang kayo ng pag-kakakitaan nyo….. wag nyun sayangin ang oras nyu dyan sa buwisit na lozada na yan…. malaki na ang pera na naabuloy dyan sa buwisit na yan 20 million na ang na donate dyan …. kayo uto-uto pa rin dyan!!!! - jo ty
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I really don’t agree with the policy of the National Mental Hospital to allow their residents to use laptops.
Oh, so it seems you do know Joey. You see, I just MIGHT know him too. Okay then, if that’s the way you heard it. You might have heard something that I did not. Kudos to you…
Hahaahaahaahaaa….Gosh Jonas, that was really funny!
Ang masama nito ‘yun yatang “jo ty” ang director ng NMH e! LOL!
caught on text messages!!!!!!
ANOTHER ARROYOS SCANDAL
gloria:cguraduhin yung budget para sa mga blog writers ni Lozada,lalu na si rod hes been consistent with all my instructions…….
xburger:yes mam budget is alloted to them,their doing their best to bring that blog down.
gloria:salamat kung ganon…
Granting na tutoo ‘yang sinasabi mo, bakit si Lozada lang ang binibira mo? Why don’t go deeper and include also the big fishes above him? Selective yata memory mo when it comes to corruption? Very weak ang logic ng atake mo kay Lozada. You can still convince others, including me, but you have to do better than that. Your allegations has no legs. Kaya lalong tumitibay at nagiging credible si Lozada e dahil sa mga taong kagaya mo na who make baseless and incredible allegations. Ako, I’m willing to listen, to debate or agree with anybody who can present facts laden with fairness and common sense. Kapag fairy tale ang istorya madaling gibain.
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Jonas, can you cite to me the allegations I made against Lozada which you said are baseless. Hindi ba may ebidensya si Miriam laban sa kanya? Baseless ba yun? Hindi ba niya inadmit sa Senado ang kanyang mga kabalbalan sa Phil Forest? Baselesss ba yun?
Sabi ni Jun may anomalies sa kontrata? Pwes, anong anomalies yun? Meron ba siyang sinumite sa Senado na nagpapatunay na may anomalies ang ZTE contract maliban lang sa allegations of bribery by Abalos? Since sinasabi niya na siya ay consultant ni Neri, meron ba siyang detailed comparative studies on the proposals submitted by the different bidders? Wala hindi ba? As a matter of fact, it was Sec. Mendoza and the assistant secretary (I forgot his name) who made a comparative analysis which showed that the Amsterdam Holdings Inc of Joey is a very inferior proposal because it has limited base sites as compared to ZTE’s extensive coverage which covers every barangays, towns, and provinces. Based on this study, AHI has no financial capability to finance such capital intensive project. Nasaan ngayon ang pagaaral ni Lozada kung siya nga ang consultant sa project na ito? Wala. At saan doon sa kontrata ng ZTE ang may overpricing? Wala. Bokya. Zero. Nil. Zilch. So, baseless lahat ang sinasabi ni Joey na natalong bidder at si Jun na walang research o pagaaral na may overpricing ang ZTE contract. Hearsays lang.
Siguro the least that Joey and Jun can file in court is the alleged bribery of Abalos. And that’s it. I can not answer that because I am not Abalos’ lawyer.
Attention: LOZADA LOVERS
News: ZTE deal complainants no-show again at Ombudsman probe
http://www.inquirer.net/specialfeatures/nbndeal/view.php?db=1&article=20080619-143511
Akala ko ba itong mga testigong ito ay may mga matitibay na ebidensya. Pag nasa korte na pala ay di na sila makita. They cannot even submit their sworn affidavits to the Ombudsman. Bakit kaya? Bakit pag sa Senado, always present ang mga ito? Dahil ba sa walang television coverage ang Ombudsman at walang propaganda mileage? Dahil ba sa kailangang pag-usapan ang nitty gritty ng kasong ito at sila’y mabubuking na walang ebidensya at sila’y nagsisinungaling lamang. Mga tsong, papunta na tayo sa korte. Kung itong mga complainants na ito ay may matitibay na ebidensya, panindigan nila. Doon sa korte, may cross examination ng witnesses. Hindi katulad sa Senado na ang mga senador lumalabas na nagaabogado sa kanila.
Remember, it was them who filed these cases in the Ombudsman. Where are they now to substantiate their charges? Kaya ito pag dinismiss ng Ombudsman, aangal naman sila at magpuputak na naman.
ZTE deal complainants no-show again at Ombudsman probe
June 19, 2008 05:24:00
TJ Burgonio
Philippine Daily Inquirer
MANILA, Philippines—The complainants who filed a string of criminal cases against President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo and several others in connection with the controversial $329-million NBN-ZTE deal failed to show up yet again at a hearing Wednesday, prompting a lawyer to say that the case may be “losing steam.”
Lawyer Harry Roque and Akbayan party-list Rep. Risa Hontiveros-Baraquel and witnesses Jose “Joey” de Venecia III, Rodolfo Lozada Jr. and Jarius Bondoc did not appear at a preliminary hearing Wednesday at the Office of the Ombudsman.
“They’re not even complete anymore. Roque is not here, Baraquel is not here. They’re losing steam,” said Ruy Rondain, a lawyer for the President’s husband, Jose Miguel “Mike” Arroyo, one of the respondents.
But another complainant, lawyer Ernesto Francisco, said Rondain’s comment was mere “propaganda.”
“The claim that the case is weakening or the complainants are no longer interested are mere propaganda,” he said.
Losing interest
There are seven complaints pending with the Ombudsman revolving around allegations that there were irregularities in the deal awarded to the China-based ZTE Corp. to build a national broadband network. The deal was eventually scrapped.
The respondents include the President, her husband, former Comelec chair Benjamin Abalos Jr. and Commission on Higher Education Chair Romulo Neri.
The complainants include Roque, Baraquel, Francisco, former Vice President Teofisto Guingona Jr., lawyers Oliver Lozano and Rafael Pulido, and Cibac party-list Rep. Emmanuel Joel Villanueva.
Gabriel Villareal, a lawyer for Abalos, said the complainants may be losing interest because of waning media coverage of the cases.
“My theory is that the case is losing its initial luster. It has come to a point where we now have to deal with the nitty-gritty of the real case, and of course, it becomes uninteresting,” he said.
Roque said that appearing before the Ombudsman would be useless if the anti-graft body refuses to summon the President.
“I have better things to do than participate in a sham proceeding,” said Roque who has filed a petition with the Supreme Court questioning the Ombudsman’s action.
Baraquel expressed surprise that a hearing had been scheduled Wednesday.
No notice
“We’re not losing interest at all. But we didn’t receive a notice of hearing. We will complain about that, ” she said.
De Venecia and Lozada were not informed of Wednesday’s hearing because of “miscommunication” among their lawyers, while Bondoc was in Turkey, according to Francisco.
Guingona, Lozano and Pulido skipped the hearing. Villanueva has yet to file his affidavit against Mike Arroyo, according to the Ombudsman.
Francisco said the non-appearance of the other complainants and witnesses would not affect his case against Mike Arroyo and Abalos, which he described as “very strong.”
He said the testimonies of De Venecia, Lozada and Bondoc, as well as of Dante Madriaga, at the Senate inquiry into the deal were his main evidence.
Villareal said the respondents were not about to move for the dismissal of the complaints, which he said have “enough standing to stay as [complaints].”
Taking their own sweet time
During the hour-long preliminary investigation, Villareal complained that the witnesses were taking their “own sweet time” in filing affidavits affirming their Senate testimonies and cited the respondents’ right to a speedy trial.
Jonas, let’s not go down to gutter. Respect the other fellow’s opinion. We’re just discussing issues here. No argumentum ad hominems, please.
TAX JOVEN, pinapatunayan ko lang sa iyo na mali ang statement mo. Don’t give Lozada too much credit. Kaya Google first before you make any statement.
Cancelling the contract does not mean it is a flawed contract.
Jonas, let’s not go down to gutter. Respect the other fellow’s opinion. We’re just discussing issues here. No argumentum ad hominems, please. - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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I refuse to go down the gutter even if you told me that “Huwag kang bulag at bingi sa katotohanan.” I don’t play that way and I never start to play dirty. I respond and comment on your post according to fair play. If there is ad hominems there you can always show it to me and I’ll admit it. I respect your opinion that is why I respond to it.
Jonas, can you cite to me the allegations I made against Lozada which you said are baseless. Hindi ba may ebidensya si Miriam laban sa kanya? Baseless ba yun? Hindi ba niya inadmit sa Senado ang kanyang mga kabalbalan sa Phil Forest? - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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Si Miriam may “evidence” ikaw wala. So that alone is proof that you have no personal knowledge of the allegation you are alluding against Lozada? I said what you are saying is baseless because, actually, you are just using what you say and heard that transpired in the Senate investigation. Ako, I also heard and saw what happened in the Senate but I’m not using it to prosecute anybody. I’m using it to explore the possibility of whether Jun Lozada is telling the truth or just lying. Bakit hindi magiging baseless ang sinasabi mo e umamin na ‘ika mo ‘yung tao pero you continue to criticize him and say that he has no credibility. The guy just told the truth and did not lie and he has no credibility? Hebigat! The logic really escapes me on that! You talked about the details of the ZTE deal above but you conveniently forgot that there was really an anomaly in the contract that is why it was cancelled. Bakit ‘yung “in-admit” lang ni Lozada ang tina-target mo? Bakit hindi mo ma-entertain nag possibility na baka meron ngang corruption na nangyari sa broadband deal? Bakit one-sided ang atake mo sa isyu? Bakit parang meron kang pino-proteksiyonan? For me, Jun Lozada, after hearing his testimony is talking sense. BUT if later on found out that he’s not innocent in his participation in the deal or otherwise he must be held accountable under the law. ‘Yan ang stand ko which I will boldly say na mas malinaw, fair at credible kesa sa stand mo. Wala akong sinisino sa isyung pinag-uusapan natin. I’ll address later the other things you mention in your post above.
PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO,
This is the other details of your post which I made in a question and answer format.
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Tanong: Sabi ni Jun may anomalies sa kontrata? Pwes, anong anomalies yun?
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Sagot: Hindi lang si Lozada ang nagsabi na may anomaly sa kontrata. Si Joey De Venecia, si Dante Madriaga at si Gloria Arroyo mismo inamin na may anomalya nga. Actually, anomaly ang reason ni Gloria kaya raw niya kinansel ang contract. I can’t believe you don’t know these simple facts!
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Tanong: Meron ba siyang sinumite sa Senado na nagpapatunay na may anomalies ang ZTE contract maliban lang sa allegations of bribery by Abalos?
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Sagot: Kailangan bang mag-submit ka sa Senado para pakinggan ka? Hindi ba’t nagpayahag siya ng kanyang nalalaman sa isyu? Hindi ba sapat ‘yon? Bakit wala bang halaga ‘yung testimony n’ya? Bakit pinawawalang halaga mo ang mga inpormasyon na inilahad ni Lozada sa Senado? What’s your motive? Hindi korte ang Senado para ma-obsess ka sa evidence.
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Tanong: Since sinasabi niya na siya ay consultant ni Neri, meron ba siyang detailed comparative studies on the proposals submitted by the different bidders? Wala hindi ba?
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Sagot: So, kung wala what’s the point? Does it show that he was lying? Does it show that there was no anomaly?
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Tanong: As a matter of fact, it was Sec. Mendoza and the assistant secretary (I forgot his name) who made a comparative analysis which showed that the Amsterdam Holdings Inc of Joey is a very inferior proposal because it has limited base sites as compared to ZTE’s extensive coverage which covers every barangays, towns, and provinces. Based on this study, AHI has no financial capability to finance such capital intensive project.
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Sagot: Good you mentioned Sec. Mendoza. I would like to remind you that Mendoza is the one who declared in the Senate hall that the broadband deal is an above–board deal. Meaning it’s free of corruption. Only to be over-ruled by his superior, Gloria Arroyo, when she said that there was an anomaly in the deal that is why she canceled it. If there is somebody who should be charged with perjury it should be Mendoza! Ang linaw e!
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Tanong: Nasaan ngayon ang pagaaral ni Lozada kung siya nga ang consultant sa project na ito? Wala. At saan doon sa kontrata ng ZTE ang may overpricing? Wala. Bokya. Zero. Nil. Zilch. So, baseless lahat ang sinasabi ni Joey na natalong bidder at si Jun na walang research o pagaaral na may overpricing ang ZTE contract. Hearsays lang.
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Sagot: Granting na tama ‘yang theory mo, pa’no ngayon ‘yung testimony ni Neri? Pa’no ngayon ‘yung testimony ni Madriaga? AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, pa’no ngayon ‘yong declaration ni Gloria Arroyo that the reason why she canceled the contract was because of anomaly? Sino ang nagsasabi ng hearsay ngayon?
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Tanong: Siguro the least that Joey and Jun can file in court is the alleged bribery of Abalos. And that’s it. I can not answer that because I am not Abalos’ lawyer. -
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Sagot: That’s it? They can file bribery charges against Abalos and that’s it? Bribery for what? For cheating in golf? Hello?! ‘Yan nga ang problema sa ‘yo e: You play lawyer against Lozada. You interrogate, question and attack him like a prosecutor but you’re very categorical in denying that you are a lawyer for the other side. Kitang-kita ang bias mo.
JONAS, dude, you break it down so good it’s amazing.
Ganyan ang pagpaliwanag sa issue. Point by point!! Mayroon ka atang background in law ah. I love the way you counter each and every comment of PNU. Kudos to you bro.
A lot of spin doctors in this blog and I am glad that your countering each and every point that they are making.
so who’s next?
go DODGERS!!
Vindicate me, O God, and defend my cause
against an ungodly people;
from those who are deceitful and unjust
deliver me!
2For you are the God in whom I take refuge;
why have you cast me off?
Why must I walk about mournfully
because of the oppression of the enemy?
3O send out your light and your truth;
let them lead me;
let them bring me to your holy hill
and to your dwelling.
4Then I will go to the altar of God,
to God my exceeding joy;
and I will praise you with the harp,
O God, my God.
5Why are you cast down, O my soul,
and why are you disquieted within me?
Hope in God; for I shall again praise him,
my help and my God.
Bernie B, common sense lang ‘yon. Spin doctors can only spin up to the point where you allow them to.
kudos to mr. jonas klap, klap, klap!!!!!!! pareho tayo ng stand pero ang tindi mo sir napahanga mo ako. but i bet my last cent hindi maiintindihan o hindi talaga iintindihin ni panggalatok yan. and i also bet my last half cent magiiba ng issue yan! kayo wanna bet?
Jonas,
Carry on my friend….I think you are showing everyone of us here the right way of discussing the issues point by point. I wish those who are attacking JLO should also present their arguments point by point so we can have a more civilized way of interacting with each other.
I really don’t agree with the policy of the National Mental Hospital to allow their residents to use laptops. - JONAS
Ang masama nito ‘yun yatang “jo ty” ang director ng NMH e! LOL! - JONAS
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They are straight from the gutter, aren’t they?
Si Miriam may “evidence” ikaw wala. So that alone is proof that you have no personal knowledge of the allegation you are alluding against Lozada? I said what you are saying is baseless because, actually, you are just using what you say and heard that transpired in the Senate investigation. Ako, I also heard and saw what happened in the Senate but I’m not using it to prosecute anybody. I’m using it to explore the possibility of whether Jun Lozada is telling the truth or just lying. Bakit hindi magiging baseless ang sinasabi mo e umamin na ‘ika mo ‘yung tao pero you continue to criticize him and say that he has no credibility. The guy just told the truth and did not lie and he has no credibility?
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Ano bang ibig mong sabihin ng “baseless”? E, yun nga ang pinagbabasehan ko. Yung evidence that Miriam presented at yun din ang evidence na inilagak ng NBI sa DOJ. Do I need to have personal knowledge of the allegation when Lozada himself admitted the wrongdoings in public. Isn’t that the basis why Jun is being charged in DOJ? His admission to the shenanigans and the evidence presented in his face. These are smoking guns, JONAS, and I don’t need to have a personal knowledge to say they are damning.
Again, how do you understand “baseless”? Ang pagamin ba ni Lozada will render my allegations baseless? And as what you say it is baseless, are you saying he is no longer accountable for his actions. Open your eyes and ears, Jonas.
Jonas, here is my definition of BASELESS.
Baseless : Having no basis or foundation in fact; unfounded.
How do you understand this word? In what context are you saying my allegations against Lozada are baseless?
Hoy mga nagboblog dito magsawa naman kayo!!!! wala kayong mapapala na dito sa blog ni lozada LAOS na yan…. wala ng nakikinig dyan….. hindi na yan ang uso ngayon…. mag hanap na lang kayo ng pag-kakakitaan nyo….. wag nyun sayangin ang oras nyu dyan sa buwisit na lozada na yan…. malaki na ang pera na naabuloy dyan sa buwisit na yan 20 million na ang na donate dyan …. kayo uto-uto pa rin dyan!!!!
I really don’t agree with the policy of the National Mental Hospital to allow their residents to use laptops. - JONAS
Ang masama nito ‘yun yatang “jo ty” ang director ng NMH e! LOL! - JONAS
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They are straight from the gutter, aren’t they? - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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Is “jo ty” ang “PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO” one and the same? I don’t meddle with your discussion with others so why meddle with mine?
Hindi lang si Lozada ang nagsabi na may anomaly sa kontrata. Si Joey De Venecia, si Dante Madriaga at si Gloria Arroyo mismo inamin na may anomalya nga. Actually, anomaly ang reason ni Gloria kaya raw niya kinansel ang contract. I can’t believe you don’t know these simple facts!
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Ang ibig mo bang sabihin takip mata kang paniniwalaan itong sinabi ng isang losing bidder na itong si Joey De Venecia, at itong si Dante Madriaga and hindi mo sinusuri ang kanilang ebidensya. Hindi ba ikaw ay one sided, Jonas at hindi mo rin titignan ang argumento ng kabilang panig na ipineresenta ni Sec. Mendoza at kanyang mga kasamahan. Ano ang pinagbasehan mo sa sabi sabi lang. Nasaan ang comparative analysis ni Jun kung siya nga ay consultant ng ZTE contract. Hindi ba kung ikaw ay inatasang consultant magbibigay ka ng masusing pagaaral sa mga proposals na isinumite. Ano ang basehan natin kung may overpricing nga? Samantalang sila Sec. Mendoza at si Asst. Sec. Formoso nagpaliwanag kung bakit ganoon ang preyso ng kontrata kasi mas maraming base sites as compared to Joey’s Amsterdam Holdings Inc. Hindi emotion ang ginagamit dito, Jonas, kundi masusing panunuri ng mga ebidensya.
Kailangan bang mag-submit ka sa Senado para pakinggan ka? Hindi ba’t nagpayahag siya ng kanyang nalalaman sa isyu? Hindi ba sapat ‘yon? Bakit wala bang halaga ‘yung testimony n’ya? Bakit pinawawalang halaga mo ang mga inpormasyon na inilahad ni Lozada sa Senado? What’s your motive? Hindi korte ang Senado para ma-obsess ka sa evidence. - JONAS
MY RESPONSE:
That’s not enough, Jonas. If you said Jun has a personal knowledge of the anomalies, it’s not enough that he says so, he should present evidence to back his allegations. Otherwise, these allegations are pure hearsays and will not stand in court. Tama ka, walang halaga ang testimony niya.
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JONAS: Kailangan bang mag-submit ka sa Senado para pakinggan ka? Hindi ba’t nagpayahag siya ng kanyang nalalaman sa isyu? Hindi ba sapat ‘yon? Bakit wala bang halaga ‘yung testimony n’ya? Bakit pinawawalang halaga mo ang mga inpormasyon na inilahad ni Lozada sa Senado? What’s your motive? Hindi korte ang Senado para ma-obsess ka sa evidence.
MY RESPONSE: Ano? Ibig mo bang sabihin, magdadadaldal ka lang sa Senado at wala kang pruweba, sapat na yun? Ito na nga, Jonas, nasa Ombudsman na yung kaso, bakit hanggang ngayon hindi pa nagsusumite si Lozada at Joey na kanilang affidavit. Akala ko ba may matibay silang ebidensya?
Kung wala, e di walang pagbabasehan na may anomalya nga. So, inaamin mo na wala siyang isinumite kay Neri na comparative studies, anong klaseng consultant siya? E, di sana magandang ebidensya yun para matutukoy natin na may anomalya o overpricing nga. That would have made him a more credible witness because he has a documentary evidence to show.
Jonas, ang pagsasabi ng anomalya o accusation ay hindi sapat sa ano mang forum, sa Senado man o sa korte . He should back them up w/ evidence to substantiate his charges. Okay, sa Senado pakikinggan siya kahit walang ebidensya kasi ang layunin nila ay “in aid of legislation” lamang. But that is not enough for us to base your conclusion that there were anomalies on the case?
Jonas, ang hinahanap ko matibay tibay na ebidensya sa kasong ito. Kung meron man, baka sakaling mabago mo ang pananaw ko sa bagay na ito.
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Ano bang ibig mong sabihin ng “baseless”? E, yun nga ang pinagbabasehan ko. Yung evidence that Miriam presented at yun din ang evidence na inilagak ng NBI sa DOJ. Do I need to have personal knowledge of the allegation when Lozada himself admitted the wrongdoings in public. Isn’t that the basis why Jun is being charged in DOJ? His admission to the shenanigans and the evidence presented in his face. These are smoking guns, JONAS, and I don’t need to have a personal knowledge to say they are damning.
Again, how do you understand “baseless”? Ang pagamin ba ni Lozada will render my allegations baseless? And as what you say it is baseless, are you saying he is no longer accountable for his actions. Open your eyes and ears, Jonas. - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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‘Yung “evidence” ni Miriam was not used to prove that Lozada was the corrupt and guilty one. It was not use to show he was lying on the ZTE deal. It was not used to prove that there was no anomaly in the broadband and he was just inventing stories. It was used to cheapen his person and destroy his credibility, which fortunately, given the positive reaction of the people to him, did not materialize. Now, you are using it against him to do what Miriam Santiago failed to accomplish: to destroy him. Saka you are mixing “evidence” and “admission” to “convict” Lozada. Huwag naman. You call Miriam’s allegation “evidence” and attack Lozada because he made an admission when what you should have done, if you are fair and objective and has the interest of the country at heart, is to appreciate that Lozada acknowledged Miriam’s allegation and give him the benefit of the doubt because Miriam failed to destroy his testimony on the REAL ISSUE which is the ZTE broadband deal. Talk of “smoking guns” if you have the goods. You don’t have the goods on Lozada. What you have is a second-hand and rehash info good only for demolition job and nothing else. Akala ko meron kang inside information against Lozada. Akala ko meron kang exclusive personal knowledge of a crime committed by him. Wala pala e. Right now what you have is what you saw and heard in the Senate. And you want to convict him with that? Hebigat! I also saw and heard the Senate hearings but unlike you I did not use it to prosecute anybody. I’m sorry but it was not to be understood that way. You are so concern with your “evidence” against Lozada to the point that you completely ignore what he was saying about the REAL issue, which is corruption in a government contract. Don’t use “baseless” to confuse the issue. Unlike you, who opted to see only the things that will destroy Lozada and stop there, I looked and analyzed Lozada’s version of the controversy to help me understand the issue more. I’m now waiting and have been waiting for the version of the other people involved in it. I want to get all the information I need to draw a clear conclusion as to who is telling the truth and who is lying. Who knows, maybe Lozada is guilty too but we’ll not be able to know that if we have a biased and partial view of the issue. Kung may pinapanigan ka malabong mong makita ang katotohanan. Unlike you, you already have the guilty one. You already convicted the “accused.” Kesehoda bansa. Kesehodang hindi maparusahan ang mga tunay na magnanakaw. Kesehoda nakawan basta ang importante masira si Lozada. Sino ngayon ang dapat ibukas ang tenga at mata? If Miriam Defensor failed to destroy Lozada I highly doubt that you can even make a dent on the armor of his credibility.
MY RESPONSE:
That’s not enough, Jonas. If you said Jun has a personal knowledge of the anomalies, it’s not enough that he says so, he should present evidence to back his allegations. Otherwise, these allegations are pure hearsays and will not stand in court. Tama ka, walang halaga ang testimony niya. - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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But the problem is we’re not in the court of law yet. Also, isn’t testimonial evidence not enough? You want him to “submit” evidence when in truth and in fact, his person and testimony is already evidence! And what is your basis for saying that it is hearsay? Lozada said there was an anomaly; Madriaga and Joey DV declared that there was an anomaly. Gloria Arroyo admitted that the cancellation of the contract was due to an anomaly. And you call that hearsay? Kung ikaw ang judge wala ng mako-convict na magnanakaw!
JONAS: Good you mentioned Sec. Mendoza. I would like to remind you that Mendoza is the one who declared in the Senate hall that the broadband deal is an above–board deal. Meaning it’s free of corruption. Only to be over-ruled by his superior, Gloria Arroyo, when she said that there was an anomaly in the deal that is why she canceled it. If there is somebody who should be charged with perjury it should be Mendoza! Ang linaw e!
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What is your basis that Gloria overruled Secretary Mendoza? Just on the basis of a radio interview? Have you read the transcript of the interview in its entirety? Did Gloria say there was an anomaly and the contract was flawed? She did not. What she said is this:
“Galit din ako sa katiwalian. Kaya itong proyektong ito, oras na may pag-uusap na may anomaliya ay agad-agad kong kinansel na, ah ano, agad-agad gumawa ako ng hakbang para kanselahin.”
May paguusap? Di ba pinaguusapan lang sa Senado? May imbestigayon lang na may anomalya ayun sa natalong bidder na si Joey Lozada.. At sa imbestigasyon na ito, wala pang napapatunayan na may anomalya nga kung ibabase lang natin sa salaysay ni Joey at Jun.
Nasaan ang pag-aamin diyan? E ano, kung kinansela? Ibig sabihin ba maanomalya na? Not necessarily. As a president, she has to prerogative to cancel any contract and what she did was judgment call. She wanted to defuse the volatile situation as it was being capitalized by the opposition and leftist forces and I think what she did was politically correct.
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JONAS: Granting na tama ‘yang theory mo, pa’no ngayon ‘yung testimony ni Neri? Pa’no ngayon ‘yung testimony ni Madriaga? AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, pa’no ngayon ‘yong declaration ni Gloria Arroyo that the reason why she canceled the contract was because of anomaly? Sino ang nagsasabi ng hearsay ngayon?
MY RESPONSE:
Testimony ni Neri? Nothing that will point to flawed contract or anomaly.
Testimony ni Madriaga? E paano rin yung testimony ni Lucio San Miguel debunking his testimony that he is not the ZTE consultant but him and has no access to what’s happening in ZTE.
Declaration ni Gloria? I have already answered that in the above post. No admission of anomaly.
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JONAS: That’s it? They can file bribery charges against Abalos and that’s it? Bribery for what? For cheating in golf? Hello?! ‘Yan nga ang problema sa ‘yo e: You play lawyer against Lozada. You interrogate, question and attack him like a prosecutor but you’re very categorical in denying that you are a lawyer for the other side. Kitang-kita ang bias mo.
MY RESPONSE:
If you have something against Abalos, file it in court. Abalos has denied the allegations. Abalos has good lawyers and he can very well defend himself.
Jonas, here is my definition of BASELESS.
Baseless : Having no basis or foundation in fact; unfounded.
How do you understand this word? In what context are you saying my allegations against Lozada are baseless? - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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Your allegation is baseless to me because it is a mere allegation. It hasn’t been proven yet. It is within the sphere of speculation. Not because Miriam Santiago presented it you can already convict Lozada on it. Nope. That is not the way to do it. It is also baseless because instead of acknowledging Lozada’s admission you take it against him! He did not lie and he answered all the questions and you said he has no credibility? Beats me! Finally, it is also baseless because you failed to show the basis of your allegations. What you are doing actually is simply a demolition job.
Jonas, ang hinahanap ko matibay tibay na ebidensya sa kasong ito. Kung meron man, baka sakaling mabago mo ang pananaw ko sa bagay na ito. - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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Alam mo kaibigan lahat ng abugado at pangkaraniwang tao man ang hinahanap e matibay na ebidensiya. Dahil kung walang matibay na ebidensiya hindi ka makaka-convict. Ang problema sa ‘yo, you are acting as a judge who is biased against Lozada. I’m sorry to say that but that is my impression on what you are saying. Sa ‘yo, sira si Lozada, walang credibility at hindi dapat maging modelo ng kabataan. After destroying him and criticizing him, hinahanapan mo siya ng “evidence.” Isn’t that strange?
JONAS: But the problem is we’re not in the court of law yet. Also, isn’t testimonial evidence not enough? You want him to “submit” evidence when in truth and in fact, his person and testimony is already evidence! And what is your basis for saying that it is hearsay? Lozada said there was an anomaly; Madriaga and Joey DV declared that there was an anomaly. Gloria Arroyo admitted that the cancellation of the contract was due to an anomaly. And you call that hearsay? Kung ikaw ang judge wala ng mako-convict na magnanakaw!
MY RESPONSE:
Nasa Ombudsman na Jonas. Matagal nang hinihintay ang affidavit ni Jun, Joey and Madriaga. Allegations are not testimonial evidence. His person is an evidence? What do you mean by that? That is the weakest evidence if you will consider it evidence because the character of this person is flawed w/ his immorality and admitted shenanigans in government. Jonas, do you believe w/ your eyes shut the testimonies of these people w/out looking into their evidences, material and physical. Is Madriaga testimony credible when Lucio San Miguel his boss debunked his testimonies? Had you not noticed that Madriaga’s testimony was in conflict w/ the testimonies of Joey? There is a stark difference as to prices. Now, how credible are your witnesses?
Kaya nga matagal ko nang sinasabi, magfile na ng sworn affidavit sila Joey, Jun and Madriaga para magkaalaman na. E, bakit hanggang ngayon, wala pa despite several extensions?
On June 9, I posted a PCIJ Report written by Malou C. Mangahas. It gives a breakdown on the Presidential expenses for year 2007. Essentially, it’s a horrifying tale of profligacy amidst human suffering, ours. One or two bloggers made some a passing mention of some minor details. Other than that the post elicited no reaction at all. Then there’s that blockbuster, Desperate Housewife by Antonio C. Abaya. I taught it would be a box office hit here too. Nilangaw.
On the other hand, let ROD or PANGGALA utter a word or two of their unique brand of intellectual prowess and all of sudden a dozen or two bloggers are upon him in an unabashed show of adulation. Salamat naman at nalaman ko kaagad kung anong uri ng mga tao ang bloggers dito. Hindi na ako aalis. This is where I belong.
In response to the kidnapping of a journalist and three others, Gloria Macapagal Arroyo ordered total military action against the Abu Sayaff or those who were responsible for the crime. The Senate is one in endorsing the move. An outraged nation need not voice its assent. Who will dare counter this general sentiment? Let me just ask a few question though.
Are we outraged by the PNP’s continued failure to serve a warrant of arrest to a COMELEC official named Lintang Bedol, or to anybody else for that matter? We know that this happens. And we know that the reasons are invariably costly.
Are we outraged that high placed officials tried to earn a few hundred millions dollars off us thru the CTE-NBN deal?
Are we outraged that the Office of the President spent P618.6 million in “donations” to yet unknown beneficiaries? Are we outraged by her profligacy while school children suffer from lack of kubeta?
Are we outraged by unsolved killings and mysterious disappearances?
Are we outraged when we spend hundreds of billions of pesos for rice importation while we have none to help local farmers produce more? Are we outraged when NFA rice invariably fall into the hands of favored traders who sell them at outrageous prices?
Are we outraged that Senators, Congressmen and high ranking government officials wallow in wealth while hunger multiplies and intensify throughout the land?
Are we not outraged that this government that is corrupt in cash in morals is buoyed up only by loans, OFW remittances and onerous taxes?
If we are not outraged by any of any of these, we have no right to be outraged by a group of youngsters, or any group for that matter, who may want a few million pesos for their own. In the first place, it was we who robbed the people of Jolo of education and a bright future for their children. We stole the money needed for their school buildings and school teachers. Instead of providing them means of livelihood, we spend their money for travels abroad, to fatten the generals, and for military hardware.
I shudder just thinking what would happen when the military starts performing tasks which under a sober Commander would be a police matter. The collateral damage would be heavy on both sides. The military may have an advantage in combat training, logistics and arms, but the enemy has a few advantages too. They know who their targets are. They are on their own turf. They fight for their kin. And their fight is supported by money they earned from unwilling boarders.
Indeed, we are what we see. We are what moves or outrages us. We reap what we sow. What do we sow when we waste our time on inanities and personalities?
Is “jo ty” ang “PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO” one and the same? I don’t meddle with your discussion with others so why meddle with mine? = JONAS
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So, are you contradicting yourself that you don’t resort to gutter language? Anyway, although I am not Jo Ty, I don’t think spewing those innuendoes on his/her person is the proper and mature thing to do in the blog site of your idol.
JONAS: Alam mo kaibigan lahat ng abugado at pangkaraniwang tao man ang hinahanap e matibay na ebidensiya. Dahil kung walang matibay na ebidensiya hindi ka makaka-convict. Ang problema sa ‘yo, you are acting as a judge who is biased against Lozada. I’m sorry to say that but that is my impression on what you are saying. Sa ‘yo, sira si Lozada, walang credibility at hindi dapat maging modelo ng kabataan. After destroying him and criticizing him, hinahanapan mo siya ng “evidence.” Isn’t that strange?
MY RESPONSE: Hindi ba dapat ganoon? Ang huwes ay maghahanap ng malakas na ebidensya para madesisyon nya ang kaso. Ano? Sa emosyon ng pagiyak iyak at pagmamakaawa ang basehan. No, sir! Kaya matagal ko nang hinihintay na si Lozada magsumite ng kanyang affidavit sa Ombudsman at tignan natin kung may basehan nga siya o wala. At kung meron man, dapat ito’y busisihin kung ito nga makakapagpatunay na may anomalya ngang nangyari. Di dapat busisihin din ang karakter ng isang witness t ang kanyang motibo? That’s fair game in court, isn’t it?
Kaya, JUN, kailan ka ba magsusumite ng affidavit mo? Kontento ka lang bang magbigay ng speeches sa mga campus. Patunayan mo naman sa jusgado. Madaliin mo naman at mageeleksyon na.
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Bernie B, common sense lang ‘yon. Spin doctors can only spin up to the point where you allow them to.
MY RESPONSE: It is not spinning when I disagree w/ your opinion. And definitely, it is not spinning when I ask for evidence from your idol to back up his allegations.
GMA canceled the ZTE contract because Neri told her that Ben offered him 200 …..( we do not know what follows the figures 200). Was Neri reporting a bribe? Or was Neri complaining to GMA that the amount of 200 pesos is too small?
For a careful President, the best thing is to postpone the whole project until things can be clarified. The ZTE anomaly was not yet proven but the the scent of irregularities has alerted GMA and that, later, led to the final cancellation of the contract. Once the contract was rendered null and void, further investigations can be considered moot and academic because the principal “culprit” was due for retirement.
Yung “evidence” ni Miriam was not used to prove that Lozada was the corrupt and guilty one. — JONAS
ANSWER: Really? His case is now in DOJ, Jonas. Let us see if w/ these pieces of material evidence, his admission in the Senate as shown in video and transcript will not convict him guilty and corrupt .
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It was not use to show he was lying on the ZTE deal. It was not used to prove that there was no anomaly in the broadband and he was just inventing stories. It was used to cheapen his person and destroy his credibility, which fortunately, given the positive reaction of the people to him, did not materialize. — JONAS
ANSWER: You’re correct. It was not used to debunk his allegations. But his allegations are pure allegations and need material evidence to back them up. Otherwise, these are all hearsays and cannot stand in court.
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Now, you are using it against him to do what Miriam Santiago failed to accomplish: to destroy him. Saka you are mixing “evidence” and “admission” to “convict” Lozada. Huwag naman. You call Miriam’s allegation “evidence” and attack Lozada because he made an admission when what you should have done, if you are fair and objective and has the interest of the country at heart, is to appreciate that Lozada acknowledged Miriam’s allegation and give him the benefit of the doubt because Miriam failed to destroy his testimony on the REAL ISSUE which is the ZTE broadband deal. - JONAS
ANSWER: Miriam failed to debunk his credibility? Are you kidding? What Miriam did was to show that Jun was a double dealing broker who has the propensity to commit graft and corruption as shown w/ his background record of irregularities.
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Talk of “smoking guns” if you have the goods. You don’t have the goods on Lozada. –JONAS
ANSWER: Smoking guns are there poked at your eyes which YOU cannot see. The insurance policy documents, the contracts, the bank statements on the Jethropa contract, the cars that were bought without bidding, etc. etc.
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What you have is a second-hand and rehash info good only for demolition job and nothing else. Akala ko meron kang inside information against Lozada. Akala ko meron kang exclusive personal knowledge of a crime committed by him. Wala pala e. Right now what you have is what you saw and heard in the Senate. And you want to convict him with that? Hebigat! —JONAS
ANSWER: Second hand? The records are there in Phil Forest and it always available when summoned by the courts. And that is the basis on the case filed by NBI w/ DOJ. Ano ka ba naman? Of course, I cannot prosecute Jun because I am not the prosecutor of this case. The evidence are now w/ DOJ and Jun is now asked to answer this complaints against him.
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I also saw and heard the Senate hearings but unlike you I did not use it to prosecute anybody. I’m sorry but it was not to be understood that way. — JONAS
ANSWER: Of course, you and I cannot prosecute Jun. The DOJ will which is a case of the Republic of the Phillippines against Noel Lozada.
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You are so concern with your “evidence” against Lozada to the point that you completely ignore what he was saying about the REAL issue, which is corruption in a government contract — JONAS.
ANSWER: Who should not be concerned w/ evidence? I am not only concerned about evidence against Jun but also the evidence that Jun brought to the Senate which are pure hearsays and no material evidence to back up.
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Don’t use “baseless” to confuse the issue. - JONAS
ANSWER: Re-read your posts. It was you who accused me hurling BASELESS accusation on your idol. That’s why I asked what is your definition of baseless when I am referring to the evidence proferred by Miriam Santiago. And let me repeat, these are the evidence that NBI filed in DOJ against your idol.
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Unlike you, who opted to see only the things that will destroy Lozada and stop there, I looked and analyzed Lozada’s version of the controversy to help me understand the issue more. — JONAS
ANSWER: Yes, I did destroy Jun’s credibility in the context that he’s not credible to speak against corruption when he himself is corrupt and has not made retribution on what he stole in the government coffers. Has he returned the P5M money invested w/ Insular Life?
I tried to analyze Jun’s testimony and found it wanting and baseless. In other words, hearsay, and cannot stand in court.
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I’m now waiting and have been waiting for the version of the other people involved in it. I want to get all the information I need to draw a clear conclusion as to who is telling the truth and who is lying. - JONAS
ANSWER: Same here. But we have to follow the rule of law. Bring this in court. Let the witnesses be cross examined. The problem is the witnesses themselves are delaying the proceedings in the Ombudsman by not submitting their affidavits.
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Who knows, maybe Lozada is guilty too but we’ll not be able to know that if we have a biased and partial view of the issue. - JONAS
ANSWER: Let the prosecution decide whether Lozada is involved in any anomaly in ZTE. Let the court decide on that whether he’s a principal of accessory to the crime.
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Kung may pinapanigan ka malabong mong makita ang katotohanan. Unlike you, you already have the guilty one. You already convicted the “accused.” — JONAS
ANSWER: Wala pinapanigan. Ang pinapanigan ko ay katotohana base sa ebidensya kahit sino man ang sangkot ditto.
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Kesehoda bansa. Kesehodang hindi maparusahan ang mga tunay na magnanakaw. Kesehoda nakawan basta ang importante masira si Lozada. Sino ngayon ang dapat ibukas ang tenga at mata? — JONAS
ANSWER: Ayan ang inaasam asam ng marami. Itong kasong ito dalhin sa hukuman para mapatunayan kung sino ang may sala. Suriin ang ebidensya. Hindi dapat tayo emosyonal at maghusga ng agaran. Dalhin sa korte ang kaso. Unang una, Jun, Joey, at Madriaga,magfile na kayo ng sworn testimonies niyo sa Ombudsman.
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If Miriam Defensor failed to destroy Lozada I highly doubt that you can even make a dent on the armor of his credibility. – JONAS
ANSWER: That’s what you think. I will respect that just as you respect my opinion on Jun’s credibility.
So, are you contradicting yourself that you don’t resort to gutter language? Anyway, although I am not Jo Ty, I don’t think spewing those innuendoes on his/her person is the proper and mature thing to do in the blog site of your idol. - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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Between you and me, there is no gutter language. Yet. I don’t meddle nor make comments on your discussion with others. I hope you do the same to mine. I don’t mind somebody meddling with my discussion with others so long as it is issue-based. Since you are not Jo Ty I suggest you leave him alone.
Your allegation is baseless to me because it is a mere allegation. It hasn’t been proven yet. It is within the sphere of speculation. Not because Miriam Santiago presented it you can already convict Lozada on it. Nope. That is not the way to do it. It is also baseless because instead of acknowledging Lozada’s admission you take it against him! He did not lie and he answered all the questions and you said he has no credibility? Beats me! Finally, it is also baseless because you failed to show the basis of your allegations. What you are doing actually is simply a demolition job. — JONAS
MY ANSWER: How can it be a mere allegation when the material evidence was presented to him and he admitted to the wrongdong? And you call this baseless? What exactly is your definition of BASELESS in one or two words?
It is not me who will convict Lozada but the court but on the basis of Senator Miriam’s evidence and subsequent admission by your idol, there is a big chance that he will be convicted. Even a law student will tell you that.
A government employee like Lozada is accountable for his acts while in office. His actuations of admitting to the offense will not necessarily exculpate him. It may mitigate the penalties of his crime but he cannot escape responsibilities and its consequencies.
The basis of my allegations as I’ve kept on repeating are the pieces of evidence proferred by Miriam.
So again, what is your definition of BASELESS?
Between you and me, there is no gutter language. Yet. I don’t meddle nor make comments on your discussion with others. I hope you do the same to mine. I don’t mind somebody meddling with my discussion with others so long as it is issue-based. Since you are not Jo Ty I suggest you leave him alone. — JONAS
MY ANSWER: Don’t practice double standard ethics, bro. The sauce for the goose is the sauce for the goose. This is a public forum and words of innuendoes like those should be avoided. Please read the Comments Policy.
What is your basis that Gloria overruled Secretary Mendoza? Just on the basis of a radio interview? Have you read the transcript of the interview in its entirety? Did Gloria say there was an anomaly and the contract was flawed? She did not. What she said is this:
“Galit din ako sa katiwalian. Kaya itong proyektong ito, oras na may pag-uusap na may anomaliya ay agad-agad kong kinansel na, ah ano, agad-agad gumawa ako ng hakbang para kanselahin.”
May paguusap? Di ba pinaguusapan lang sa Senado? May imbestigayon lang na may anomalya ayun sa natalong bidder na si Joey Lozada.. At sa imbestigasyon na ito, wala pang napapatunayan na may anomalya nga kung ibabase lang natin sa salaysay ni Joey at Jun.
Nasaan ang pag-aamin diyan? E ano, kung kinansela? Ibig sabihin ba maanomalya na? Not necessarily. As a president, she has to prerogative to cancel any contract and what she did was judgment call. She wanted to defuse the volatile situation as it was being capitalized by the opposition and leftist forces and I think what she did was politically correct. - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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Aba, maganda ‘yang sinabi mo d’yan pero as usual marupok at mabuway. Heto kaibigan panoorin mo itong video na ito para malaman mo kung ano ang sinabi ni Gloria Arroyo tungkol sa kontrata. At dito rin, makikita at maririnig mo si Mendoza, hindi sa radio interview kundi sa Senado na kung saan sinabi n’ya ““Ipapakita po namin sa inyo na wala pong bahid ng anumang katiwaliaan nag kontratang ito.” Heto ang filename ng video which is a 24 Oras news coverage. [url]http://www.tingog.com/government/in-defense-of-lies.html[/url]
What is your basis that Gloria overruled Secretary Mendoza? Just on the basis of a radio interview? Have you read the transcript of the interview in its entirety? Did Gloria say there was an anomaly and the contract was flawed? She did not. What she said is this:
“Galit din ako sa katiwalian. Kaya itong proyektong ito, oras na may pag-uusap na may anomaliya ay agad-agad kong kinansel na, ah ano, agad-agad gumawa ako ng hakbang para kanselahin.”
May paguusap? Di ba pinaguusapan lang sa Senado? May imbestigayon lang na may anomalya ayun sa natalong bidder na si Joey Lozada.. At sa imbestigasyon na ito, wala pang napapatunayan na may anomalya nga kung ibabase lang natin sa salaysay ni Joey at Jun.
Nasaan ang pag-aamin diyan? E ano, kung kinansela? Ibig sabihin ba maanomalya na? Not necessarily. As a president, she has to prerogative to cancel any contract and what she did was judgment call. She wanted to defuse the volatile situation as it was being capitalized by the opposition and leftist forces and I think what she did was politically correct. - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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Heto kaibigan ang malinaw na pruweba kung bakit mali ‘yang sinasabi mo.
http://www.tingog.com/government/in-defense-of-lies.html
D’yan sa video na ‘yan maririnig at makikita mong sinabi ni Gloria Arroyo ang mga ito
—“Oras nga na may sumbong sa akin, ah tinignan ko na ‘yung paraan kung paano kanselahin. Ah, nasumbong sa akin the night before the signing of the supply contract. Pero hindi pa naman kasi, oh that was only one of many signings. So, e paano mo naman maka-cancel the night before meron kang ibang bansang kausap…” – Gloria A.
“Kaya naman agad akong kumilos upang kanselahin ang kontrata sa sandaling mabalitaan ko na may katiting na himala na anomaliya.” – Gloria A.
—At maririnig mo rin si Sec. Mendoza na sinabi ito
“Ipapakita po namin sa inyo na wala pong bahid ng anumang katiwaliaan nag kontratang ito.”
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Siguro naman pagkatapos mong panoorin hindi mo maitatanggi ‘yang mga ‘yan.
tang na mo jun delete mo na naman post ko….gago ka talaga!!!
away ng mga kawatan ito….
I am back! Interesting developments and postings.
JONAS: Well done! That is what I am looking for. A blow by blow explanation, on queries sent by another post.
I do not think I need to add further to the questions as it has been answered by Jonas, I would just pitch in when I see fit.
Frankly speaking, I am more into the kidnapping side of the picture and the wiretapping as well. Though the NBN-ZTE Deal, I have learmed alot, and could probably give my 10-Cents worth.
Sticking to the Thread, YOU ARE WHAT YOU SEE, could we also tackle other anomalies that the government has prudently bestowed upon us ordinary folks? However, we should NOT let the NBN-ZTE scandal slip by. Merely, to add some spice to the BREW THAT THE EVIL WITCH IS CONCOTING.
Mcapagal Blvd., Hello Garci, Joc-Joc’s Fertilizer (tax, you could expound on this more?), OWWA Funds, PHILHEALTH Cards among others.
As we may all be aware, Jun was, from my point of view, kidnapped upon arrival. Kharry may not agree here, his synopsis was quite good. Jun will not be allowed to go to the UK, as he has NO VALID VISA. He does not posses a Diplomatic Passport, hence would go through normal process.
Wiretapping - the often mentioned phone conversation, albeit, SLICED, between Jun and joey is a clear violation of Anti-Wiretapping Law, the you tube posting could easily be traced. Therefore, if the government wants to get to the bottom of the wiretapping, they could start the trace from there, that is if they not commenced investigation on this yet. Senator BIAZON should conduct this. Or, the Justice Department could do this as well, that is IF GONZALES is representing Justice, not INJUSTICE and SELECTIVE INJUSTICE.
Jonas: Well done as I have mentioned. What you have done, has made it easier for people to understand the Q&A. Cheers to you!
Heto kaibigan ang malinaw na pruweba kung bakit mali ‘yang sinasabi mo.
http://www.tingog.com/government/in-defense-of-lies.html
D’yan sa video na ‘yan maririnig at makikita mong sinabi ni Gloria Arroyo ang mga ito
—“Oras nga na may sumbong sa akin, ah tinignan ko na ‘yung paraan kung paano kanselahin. Ah, nasumbong sa akin the night before the signing of the supply contract. Pero hindi pa naman kasi, oh that was only one of many signings. So, e paano mo naman maka-cancel the night before meron kang ibang bansang kausap…” – Gloria A.
“Kaya naman agad akong kumilos upang kanselahin ang kontrata sa sandaling mabalitaan ko na may katiting na himala na anomaliya.” – Gloria A.
—At maririnig mo rin si Sec. Mendoza na sinabi ito
“Ipapakita po namin sa inyo na wala pong bahid ng anumang katiwaliaan nag kontratang ito.”
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Siguro naman pagkatapos mong panoorin hindi mo maitatanggi ‘yang mga ‘yan.
— JONAS
MY ANSWER: JONAS, malinaw na sinabi ng Pangulona kinansela niya ang kontrata dahil lang sa “suspicion” na may katiwalian. Iba yun sa kinansela dahil may katiwalaan. Hindi ba ang pinaguusapan pa lang sa Senado ay suspicion of anomalies or just allegations by Joey De Venecia. On this basis, the President cancelled the contract. Malinaw naman yun, di ba?
KEN, welcome back! I hope for the sake of fairness you also read my blow by blow replies to Jonas’ posts. This is what we all like — a decent and sensible discussion of issues.
I’m waiting for Rod to pitch in and post also for his comments.
Good day to all of us!!!
JUN… I know you are monitoring everyday, and some message against you will deleted, don’t deny Jun… because I experiencing that, you are unfair to us jun..
A piece of advice for you Jun, Nobody from hell would join you in this kind of crusade when every Filipino has some more important and productive thing to do. Your call is irrelevant and nobody will waste their time joining your cause. Perhaps it will be more realistic if you will advertise that you are in need of rally-for-hire mob. As such, you may attain temporary supporters… like JONAS, BERNADETH, KEN, ABS. KA ELMO or you are the one of this bogus name… don’t be cheat …
Pangga : Thanks for the welcome mat. Yep, I shall read and comprehend your views as well, and as mentioned would pitch in.
Yep, we are all in this to ferret out the truth and fairness. Collide our ideas and collate and absorb all opinions in order for us to be able to arrive at a justifiable conslusion, and decide for oursleves which is which.Thanks again.
Kharry : I do not think the contract has been cancelled. It is my understanding that is has only been TEMPORARILY SHELVED. Let me double check this and I shall revert.
Also, Gloria DID NOT put this on hold when NERI informed her of the Abalos bribe. it took the SENATE investigation and the Public’s uproar on this matter, which led her to postpone the NBN-ZTE project. Note, still ZTE project.
KEN, the contract w/ ZTE has been cancelled but the project proposal is temporarily suspended. It may be rebid anytime because the government believe it will be beneficial to the government as it will incur a lot of savings on the current communication expenses of the government.
MY ANSWER: JONAS, malinaw na sinabi ng Pangulona kinansela niya ang kontrata dahil lang sa “suspicion” na may katiwalian. Iba yun sa kinansela dahil may katiwalaan. Hindi ba ang pinaguusapan pa lang sa Senado ay suspicion of anomalies or just allegations by Joey De Venecia. On this basis, the President cancelled the contract. Malinaw naman yun, di ba? - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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Mali. Malabo ‘yang sinulat mo d’yan kaibigan. Heto, basahin mo ang tunay at actual na sinabi ni Gloria Arroyo sa video,
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“Oras nga na may sumbong sa akin, ah, tinignan ko na ‘yung paraan kung papano kanselahin. Ah, nasumbong sa akin the night before the signing of the supply contract pero hindi pa naman kasi…that was only one of many signings. So, e papa’no mo ba naman maka-kansel the night before meron kang ibang bansang kausap…”- Gloria Arroyo
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Maliwanag d’yan “sumbong” ang ginamit na salita ni Gloria at hindi “suspicion” na gaya ng sinasabi mo.
I suggest panoorin mo ‘yung buong video. Pati na rin ‘yung part ni Sec. Mendoza. I’m sharing that video with you and everybody para magkaro’n tayo ng sapat na impormasyon about the issue.
Jonas: Well done as I have mentioned. What you have done, has made it easier for people to understand the Q&A. Cheers to you! - Ken Kashi
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Thanks. Anything that will help clear the matter. So long as I can assist I’ll do my part.
Maliwanag d’yan “sumbong” ang ginamit na salita ni Gloria at hindi “suspicion” na gaya ng sinasabi mo.
I suggest panoorin mo ‘yung buong video. Pati na rin ‘yung part ni Sec. Mendoza. I’m sharing that video with you and everybody para magkaro’n tayo ng sapat na impormasyon about the issue. — JONAS
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MY ANSWER: Tama ka, “sumbong.” Pero klaro ba kung anong isinumbong? Hindi kaya isinumbong sa kanya yung sinabi ni Abalos? But it does not follow that the contract is flawed. But she nonetheless cancelled the contract the defuse the volatile situation which is being exploited by the opposition and force against the government. It was a judgment call and a good political decision.
Ito pa ang sinabi niya:
“Kaya itong proyektong ito, oras na may pag-uusap na may anomaliya ay agad-agad kong kinansel na, ah ano, agad-agad gumawa ako ng hakbang para kanselahin.”
Paguusap pa lang, ibig sabihin may ginagawang investigation on a suspicion or allegation of anomaly.
Yes, I did destroy Jun’s credibility in the context that he’s not credible to speak against corruption when he himself is corrupt and has not made retribution on what he stole in the government coffers. Has he returned the P5M money invested w/ Insular Life?
I tried to analyze Jun’s testimony and found it wanting and baseless. In other words, hearsay, and cannot stand in court.
Let the prosecution decide whether Lozada is involved in any anomaly in ZTE. Let the court decide on that whether he’s a principal of accessory to the crime.
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I really cannot imagine how you can speak of two conflicting or opposite statements about the same person. The first paragraph is an admission that you are convinced that Lozada is guilty and his statements hearsay while the second paragraph gives the impression that you are yielding to the authority of the law with regard to Lozada’s innocence. Now which is which?
# Ken Kashi — June 20, 2008 #
Pangga : Thanks for the welcome mat. Yep, I shall read and comprehend your views as well, and as mentioned would pitch in.
Yep, we are all in this to ferret out the truth and fairness. Collide our ideas and collate and absorb all opinions in order for us to be able to arrive at a justifiable conslusion, and decide for oursleves which is which.Thanks again.
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Thanks, Ken, for being objective. At the end of the day, the final resolution of this case is when it is brought to court where witnesses are cross examined, not in the Senate where biases of both sides collide in an arena of sensationalism. The case is now w/ the Ombudsman, the witnesses like Jun and Joey, owe it to the public that substantiate their allegations by filing their affidavit and be cross examined.
I really cannot imagine how you can speak of two conflicting or opposite statements about the same person. The first paragraph is an admission that you are convinced that Lozada is guilty and his statements hearsay while the second paragraph gives the impression that you are yielding to the authority of the law with regard to Lozada’s innocence. Now which is which? - JONAS
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There are two different cases here, Jonas, if you care to read carefully my posts. The first case is Jun’s irregularities committed while in office and the other one is his possibility that he may be involved in some shenanigans connected w/ the ZTE. Remember the conversation he had w/ Joey. If this conversation is accepted as evidence in court and duly authenticated, Jun is in hot water.
In the first case, Jun sort of incriminated himself by admitting his crime based on the evidence presented. He may have invoked the right to remain silent but did not. The other one is when you stated in your post that Jun may have been involved in ZTE manipulation. And I said let the prosecution decide whether Jun is indictable and let court decide based on the evidence presented by the prosecution.
I hope that clear matters up.
Good day!
But she nonetheless cancelled the contract the defuse the volatile situation which is being exploited by the opposition and force against the government. It was a judgment call and a good political decision. - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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Volatile situation? What is there to “defuse” when nobody is aware of it at the time? And how can the opposition “exploit” something that they are not aware of?
Ces Drillon family paid 5 Million peso ransom. Isnaji kept P3 Million and gave P2 Million to Kidnappers.
Now why am I not surprise in this report?
The RCBC killings, Holdapan, Rub outs, corruptions, kidnapping, rice price increases, oil prices sky high and much much more.
Ang dami po naman nating problema. Minsan manhid na ako sa mga pang yayari sa ating bansa. When will this stop? Do we have hope that things WILL change in the Philippines?
We need new leaders. We need fresh leaders. We need new hope that who ever takes over the helm of Philippine government in 2010 puts the interest of the filipino people first.
That’s why blogs like these are essential. Blogs like these were we discuss our thoughts and comments on how to better our society. I hope blogs like these reaches out to our youth who are the hope of our nation.
This is also the reason why I support Jun in his caravan for truth. The youth has to be informed. You say Jun is not fit to be the messenger? eh sino dapat? We need to put to shame our government officials who are corrupt and maybe, maybe the our next elected leaders will think twice about corruption. I know its a stretch but it was only a wish.
This is also the reason why I support Jun in his caravan for truth. The youth has to be informed. You say Jun is not fit to be the messenger? eh sino dapat? We need to put to shame our government officials who are corrupt and maybe, maybe the our next elected leaders will think twice about corruption. I know its a stretch but it was only a wish. –Bernie B.
Can I give suggestions? How about Governors Panlilio of Pampanga and Padaca of Isabela whose reputations are unsulled at this very moment? Unless, Jun trully repent and make retribution for the irregularities he admitted, I am sorry in my book i cannot accept him as a messenger of truth regardless of how many caravans of truth he makes.
There are two different cases here, Jonas, if you care to read carefully my posts. The first case is Jun’s irregularities committed while in office and the other one is his possibility that he may be involved in some shenanigans connected w/ the ZTE. Remember the conversation he had w/ Joey. If this conversation is accepted as evidence in court and duly authenticated, Jun is in hot water.
In the first case, Jun sort of incriminated himself by admitting his crime based on the evidence presented. He may have invoked the right to remain silent but did not. The other one is when you stated in your post that Jun may have been involved in ZTE manipulation. And I said let the prosecution decide whether Jun is indictable and let court decide based on the evidence presented by the prosecution.
I hope that clear matters up.
Good day!
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I read carefully your post and it is really wrong and fuzzy. For one, there is only ONE case and that is the national broadband deal. That is the reason why Lozada was in the Senate. He was not there because of the “irregularities he committed while in office.” There is no such thing. Please let us not change the facts. Your allegation against Lozada is just a tactic to confuse and muddle the issue. It has nothing to do with the Senate investigation. I will repeat what I said earlier, if we’ll follow your theory nobody is going to cooperate with the Senate again. How can you testify when you know that you are going to be charged in court if you admit and be honest before the senators? How can one cooperate when your statements will be used against you like what you are doing with Lozada now? How can one trust the Senate when instead of focusing on the corruption cases you want to help solve they will turn against you instead? That’s ridiculous!
Volatile situation? What is there to “defuse” when nobody is aware of it at the time? And how can the opposition “exploit” something that they are not aware of? - JONAS
This is news, bro. It was already being investigated in the Senate at that time and the opposition were making a lot of political noise which was affecting our economy. Try to read carefully why the President cancelled the contract.
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/oct/03/yehey/top_stories/20071003top1.html
“Arroyo cancels broadband deal
By Angelo S. Samonte, Reporter
President Gloria Arroyo told China’s president she will “stop” the controversial National Broadband Network deal awarded to ZTE Corp. of China, according to a report by the TV network GMA-7.
President Hu Jintao, whom Mrs. Arroyo met Tuesday in Shanghai, “understood and accepted the decision of the Chief Executive,” Press Secretary Ignacio Bunye was quoted as saying by the TV network, which posted the story on its website late Tuesday.
“The President explained the difficult decision not to continue with the NBN contract and the President counted on the good relations between our two countries for understanding,” Bunye said. “We are gratified that President Hu offered understanding when he said that our relationship is in very good shape and the Philippines has been a great ally.”
The $330-million broadband project has been the subject of much controversy, prompting the Senate to launch an investigation into allegations of overpricing and bribes offered to a Cabinet member and the son of the House Speaker.
Malacañang conducted its own discreet investigation and announced they did not find any wrongdoing.
Despite that, however, the Palace suspended the broadband project on September 22, along with another Chinese deal, the Cyber Education Project.”
Both good choices. But the thing is, what will they talk about? Will they go out of their way to “spill the beans” on the government? What kind of corruption do you think they will divulge? Remember it’s called Caravan of Truth.
Not a bad idea eh.
The reason Jun is perfect is because he’s been in the trenches with “them”. He knows the ins and outs of how the “bukols” and “tongpats” are generated. I hope he goes back to the Senate and spill on what he knows about the other “projects”.
I wonder how Panlilio will fare as President..
I read carefully your post and it is really wrong and fuzzy. For one, there is only ONE case and that is the national broadband deal. That is the reason why Lozada was in the Senate. He was not there because of the “irregularities he committed while in office.” There is no such thing. Please let us not change the facts. Your allegation against Lozada is just a tactic to confuse and muddle the issue. It has nothing to do with the Senate investigation. I will repeat what I said earlier, if we’ll follow your theory nobody is going to cooperate with the Senate again. How can you testify when you know that you are going to be charged in court if you admit and be honest before the senators? How can one cooperate when your statements will be used against you like what you are doing with Lozada now? How can one trust the Senate when instead of focusing on the corruption cases you want to help solve they will turn against you instead? That’s ridiculous! - JONAS
-JONAS, please try to understand my post which is in relation to other other posts you and I made. I just tried to explain myself as to why you find me contradictory in the last post that you responded to. And I explained myself very well by mentioning to you two cases : one is the case of Jun which is now pending in the Ombudsman re irregularities he made as President of Phil Forest, and the other, the ZTE deal in which you stated rhetorically that Jun may possibly be guilty of shenanigans in this deal.. And I made a comment on that scenario. I think this could clear things up if you try to read your previous posts that made me respond in such manner.
# Bernie B — June 20, 2008 #
Both good choices. But the thing is, what will they talk about? Will they go out of their way to “spill the beans” on the government? What kind of corruption do you think they will divulge? Remember it’s called Caravan of Truth.
Not a bad idea eh.
The reason Jun is perfect is because he’s been in the trenches with “them”. He knows the ins and outs of how the “bukols” and “tongpats” are generated. I hope he goes back to the Senate and spill on what he knows about the other “projects”.
I wonder how Panlilio will fare as President..
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Answer: These two personalities who won the election despite insurmountable odds may have many other things to say that would be beneficial to our youth other “spilling the beans.” Virtues such as honesty, courage, integrity in public service, etc. Hypocrisy of Jun is the least that we want to impart to our children to mention his immorality and lack of integrity in public office.
Who knows, maybe Lozada is guilty too but we’ll not be able to know that if we have a biased and partial view of the issue. - JONAS
ANSWER: Let the prosecution decide whether Lozada is involved in any anomaly in ZTE. Let the court decide on that whether he’s a principal of accessory to the crime.
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This is your rhetorical post, Jonas, which I answered with a rhetorical answer.
I hope this clears the confusion up.
Ang daming problema ng ating bansa na dapat tutukan… agaw eksena lang tong si Jlo.. gusto lang sumikat… Para saan? para sa susunod na election… lahat tuloy ng andito s blog nya nag babangayan…. mag kaisa na lang tayo…tutal gusto lang naman nya sumikat…tayu na lang tayo ng fans club….any nomination for the President of Probinsyanong Intsik Fans Club?
Unless further witnesses or evidence are available, the Senate has to end its hearings on ZTE. JDV has indicated that he is willing to testify but the Senate can not wait forever and nobody knows if JDV’s testimony will shed more light or confusion to Senate findings. If there is to be a father-and-son act, it has to be now. Although it is doubtful if JDV’s expose’ can bring down GMA.
GMA may have simply postponed the ZTE project but nobody is going to touch it with a ten-foot pole and initiate the project again. In the meantime the government has to suffice with a leaky communications system and continue to pay the telcos billions in annual charges until they can re-baptize the broad-band project with a new name.
Meanwhile, Jun can go full-time since he no longer has to make a living and continue to tour the nation to talk on our corrupt and dysfunctional government. Some people discovered Jun’s talent for preaching and that is perhaps one reason why the Church is very interested in him.
As for Joey, he has to look for new fixers, stool pigeons and fall-guys. Jun is worthless to Joey now unless Jun runs for a political position and win.
Ben, except for his reputation, got off unscathed and his “burjer” business is said to have boomed.
So, what are we doing here? Let the curtains fall if there is no trailers for the Coming Attractions, so everybody can go and shift their activities elsewhere.
Let Jun go around w/ his caravan until the law caught up with him. We should not forget that this guy has string of shenanigans he committed in his office. Two cases have alredy been filed against him by the NBI with the DOJ. Let the law take its own course.
jun is a piece of shit.
Denis tama ka andami ng problema sa ating bansa, puro politika parin ang iniisip sana naman ay magtulungan na tayo para sa ating anak sa kanilang future… diba!!! pagkakaisa ang kailangan ngayon hindi paninira, laos na ang ZTE matagal ng cancelled, tulungan natin ang bansa. ngayon magsasalita daw si JDV pero may maidudulot bang maganda sa ating pamilya sila lang ang makikinabang sa kanilang publicity… pagod na tayo.. magkaisa na tayo…
Let Jun go around w/ his caravan until the law catch up with him. We should not forget that this guy has string of shenanigans he committed in his office. Two cases have alredy been filed against him by the NBI with the DOJ. Let the law take its own course.
Thanks, Ken Kash, for the list of anomalies committed by this unholy administration of the glorified evil bitch. Sa dami, it is really just too difficult to keep track of them. Right now, we file them up until the time of reckoning comes.
Good title for a good discussion except that there are still the same brigaders trying harder now to cover up for the bitch overstaying at the palace by the murky river and trying hard in fact to prevent Mr. Lozada from sharing with us the truths he has first-hand knowledge of, not merely as something like sharing some gossip but for us to try to bond together and someday try to file a community action against the perpertrators of these activities that a lot many of us living overseas have had experience of one way or another. In fact, we are talking to some lawyers in Japan, for instance, for the Filipino residents here to file a lawsuit against seller and buyer of Philippine patrimonies in Japan that everyone should know cannot be disposed of without a national referendum.
We invite Filipinos in Japan to join in this advocacy. It will be a historical community action that will surely generate interest on the issue of graft and corruption in the Philippines even among the Japanese and foreign nationals in Japan, and hopefully encourage other Filipinos to follow suit about how to bring down a corrupt administration by legitimate legal means, not the kind of people’s power done even with the help of misguided Americans, who think they are doing right meddling in other people’s affairs.
The title of this loop reminds me of the admonition of the Saviour when He said, ” Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.” (Matt. 7:1-2)
Hi Yuko! This is for you: ” Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.” (Matt. 7:1-2)
Jun Lozada and Joey DV….meron na kayong condo sa impyerno.
PANGGA, magaling ka. Hanga ako sa ‘yo. Pasok-na pasok sa drive mo and dalawa ni KEN at JONAS. Gusto ko na tuloy magbago ng isip. Gusto ko nang maniwalang hindi ka nag-iisa. Alam ko, squid tactic and mission mo. Gusto mong lumabo ang isyu, kaya ayaw mong tantanan si Jlo. Kapag nga naman malagay siya sa defensa, malalayo ang usapan kay Gloria. Tagumpay ka sa dalawa kong idol. You deserve a bonus. Ang style mo hindi hindi omubra kay Jlo, kaya pahiya si Brenda turned heel licker. Ipinakita ni Jlo sa Senate hearing na irrelevant ang mga sinasabi ng Senadora. Ano ba naman kung siya ang pinakasinungaling na tao sa buong mundo? Hindi na ba niya kayang magsabi ng totoo kahit minsan? And vice versa. Prior to giving his testimony, Joker Arroyo tried to say that Manny Gaite is a good man. Ang tanong ni Pimentel, ano ba’ng kinalaman noon sa sasabihin ni Gaite? Anyway, nasa DOJ na ang kaso ni Jlo. Pabayaan na nating siyang lapain ng mga aso ni Gloria doon. Should we therefore focus on Gloria’s role in the CTE deal? No! Mas maraming mahahalagang issue ngayon. I would rather that we listen to what bodhi siddhartha is saying.
You should feel flattered in fact, Mr. Lozada, for the kind of attention you are getting from these brigaders, one or two assigned here I guess blogging in various aliases judging by the kind of messages they post here that are surely boring and VERY redundant, with nothing to learn from at all because the purpose is just to try to show how low they can stoop to the “level of the gutter” no doubt. No time to read them though. One glance at the post, you knowwhat it is all about, for whose sake and who wrote them—baka pa nga iyong anak na tatakbo as senator daw!!! Yuck!!!
Frankly, I have just been to an international confab in Hong Kong where I met a lot many Filipinos working there are domestic helpers, etc. I feel sorry for a lot of them with many of them running away in fact from abusive employers, and being sheltered by Migrante. It’s pathetic to see those risking lives, legs and limbs just to be able to go abroad to survive because they cannot do so in their own country. Sad that between evils, they have no choice but stay in Hong Kong, which for them seems to be the lesser evil.
I met two young Filipino girls, one looking like a boy in fact, at the airport looking for their connecting flight to Syria via Qatar. They arrived late but fortunately, the connecting flight was also late. Poor fellows, they had to sleep on one of the available seats at the airport till morning, to be exact from about 11 pm to 6 am. What an uncomfortable flight!
Why Syria of all places?! Has the Philippines become that terrible a place to live in now that Filipinos would want to risk getting bombed, beheaded, etc. in the Middle East in order to survive? Makes me wonder how come there are still Filipinos willing to praise the Evil Bitch for a few pieces of silver despite the terrible situation in the Philippines that pushes Filipinos out of the country. Ukininana nga impakta nga kabalen ken pangalatok kaya masama ang ugali! Kawawang mga pilipino!
When I talked to them in Pilipino, gulat na gulat sila, for they have not met a Japanese talking straight Pilipino, better than a lot many of them hypocrites do as a matter of fact! Ang titigas naman ng dila, paingles-ingles pa! Kawawang Pilipinas!
Anyway, keep up the good works, Mr. Lozada. Majority of the Filipinos in Hong Kong that I met in fact condemn the Evil Bitch and believe in you. Hindi ka nag-iisa! Tibayan mo ang loob mo. Tuloy ang laban!!!
Lozada : Here you go again with your rhetorics.
The lines you quoted from Gary Zukav aptly apply to you of which you now want others to emulate. Tough luck senor Lozada!
You, yourself admitted during the senate hearings that “hindi ka santo”. That you been part of the system and that your reason for coming out is just to salvage whatever is left of your soul. Clearly, you’ve realized and decided to stop being self righteous with evil that you turned yourself into a loving person.
These lines, borrowed with pride from Zukav, are very good cover for a political game called perception. Now you want people to perceive you as that loving, caring person complete with tears, “i’m one of you” image thru your provinciano intsik language, tsinelas & chamison chino look properly against the backdrop of nuns & priests? C’mmon jun, who the fuck are you kidding!
Indeed, you are what you see especially if it’s been designed to be such!
PS: Be careful of what you wish for…..those cases against you are now piling up and people maybe waiting for you to face up. Maybe that’ll be your only chance to save your soul!
PSS: In case you think I am one of those people out to demolish you or even got paid to post this, I suggest you go back, read & understand your header again…….
TAX JOVEN: Thanks, Joven, for the nice words. I appreciate that. The case of Lozada is now w/ DOJ, let justice takes its course. The ZTE case is now w/ Ombudsman, it’s now in the hands of Joey DV, Lozada etal to prove w/ evidence that there were anomalies and let the axe fall. I hope they will take the first step to affirm their testimonies in the Senate as per order of the Ombudsman and perhaps substantiate more their testimonies w/ concrete evidence. I hope we stop being emotional on this matter and look objectively what Lozada, and other witnesses bring to the table. Let not our judgment be clouded w/ prejudice and hate for in the end it is the evidence presented in court that will determine the guilt or innocence of the respondents. Not how loud we shout, not how emotional we can get, not how low we put down the other persons. Much has been said in this forum. Let us go back to what we are doing but be vigilant to what is happening around us. I hope you guys who live outside our shores encourage your relatives to vote wisely the next leader of our country in 2010. That’s the most you can do at the moment and let me thank all of you for your passionate concern for our country.
Peace to all of you!
Yuko: Arigato gosaimas, Sir/Madam, for your concern for our country and people.
I also wish well for Japan and its people.
God bless our countries.
Mabuhay ang Filipino!!!
TAX JOVEN: Thanks, Joven, for the nice words. I appreciate that. The case of Lozada is now w/ DOJ, let justice takes its course. The ZTE case is now w/ Ombudsman, it’s now in the hands of Joey DV, Lozada etal to prove w/ evidence that there were anomalies and let the axe fall. I hope they will take the first step to affirm their testimonies in the Senate as per order of the Ombudsman and perhaps substantiate more their testimonies w/ concrete evidence. I hope we stop being emotional on this matter and look objectively what Lozada, and other witnesses bring to the table. Let not our judgment be clouded w/ prejudice and hate for in the end it is the evidence presented in court that will determine the guilt or innocence of the respondents. Not how loud we shout, not how emotional we can get, not how low we put down the other persons. Much has been said in this forum. Let us go back to what we are doing but be vigilant to what is happening around us. I hope you guys who live outside our shores encourage your relatives to vote wisely the next leader of our country in 2010. That’s the most you can do at the moment and let me thank all of you for your passionate concern for our country.
Peace to all of you! - PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO
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I don’t know if I will believe what you wrote above. You already convicted Lozada. You admitted your bias against him and now you are hoping that justice take its course? Let us not offer peace without sincerity and honesty. For peace without trust is no peace at all. Worse, it smacks of hypocrisy. Anyway, I’ll accept your kind of “peace” even though I don’t think there is a need for it.
Atong — away ng mga kawatan ito….
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Tanong kita Atong . SI Gloria, ang manok, si Jlo ang itlog. Sino naunang sumulpot sa mundo. Yan ang istorya ng baliktaktakan dito at paulit ulit . Walang patutunguhan. Hintay na lang tayo ng 2010 at iboto for president si Jun Lozada para matapos na yan. Yan lang naman ang purpose ng blog na ito.
JONAS : Despite our differences, believe me I mean it when I say peace to all of you. It’s nothing personal. Let’s just respect our opinions as I respect yours. Peace!
JONAS : As I’ve said I have my personal opinion on Lozada and you have yours. Only the courts can convict or acquit him based on the appreciation of the evidence. So, let’s set aside our biases and let the justice take its course.
PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO,
Just because I disagreed with what you write here doesn’t mean I don’t respect your opinion. Respecting is different from criticizing or disagreeing. If I didn’t respect you, you will know because I will treat you the way I treat some scumbags here. If I didn’t respect you I will not waste my time reading and responding to your posts in a kilometric manner. If I didn’t respect you I will not share information with you that I think will help you cover more grounds of the issue at hand. So you see, it is not a question of respect but consistency and credibility with what we say here. For me, consistency means a steady and continuing support for a particular point of view. Credibility infers on the logic and common sense, fairness and relevance in what we say and write here. I mostly disagree with your post on those two factors. I also apply the same criteria with myself and to others.
Mabuti pa’y ipagpatuloy na lang natin ang pagnanakaw para walang away! Ipakita nyo sa mundo na ang Pinoy ay magnanakaw!!!
YUKO, when Teofisto Guingona was COA chairman he sent my sister-in-law to Riponggi. When she was there, she called on her boss to report the situation. Shall we allow the sale? She asked. Guingona: It’s your call. That’s why sent you there. She said no to the people offering her dollars in commission. I think she said something like: the country’s patrimony’s not for sale, nor her soul. Pero, pagbigyan na kaya natin si Gloria. Gipit na gipit siya kailangan niya ang pera.
PANGGA, curious lang ako. I said Jlo must be rewarded for saving the country from a greedy group out to fleece the country of 329 million dollars. You said Gloria canceled the contract even before Jlo testified. You even ask me to google. On June 19, I posted an article by Neale Cruz wherein he discussed in length that Gloria canceled the project only after intense public pressure. This was after Jlo testified! This was after Mendoza and company tried to convince the public that the contract was above board, and that it was beneficial to the country! Hindi mo ito sinasagot. Pero, kung hindi ka sinungaling at talagang maaga pa’y kinansela na ng amo mo ang kontrata, ano ang kanyang dahilan? Mere suspicion of an anomaly? Huwag mo naman sanang palabasing tanga o hindi matino ang iyong amo para lang lumabo ang issue. Baka bawiin ang bonus mo.
caught on text messages!!!!!!
ARROYO NAGBABAYAD
gloria:cguraduhin yung budget para sa mga blog writers ni Lozada,lalu na si rod hes been consistent with all my instructions…….
xburger:yes mam budget is alloted to them,their doing their best to bring that blog down.
gloria:salamat kung ganon…
TAX JOVEN: On June 19, I posted an article by Neale Cruz wherein he discussed in length that Gloria canceled the project only after intense public pressure. This was after Jlo testified! This was after Mendoza and company tried to convince the public that the contract was above board, and that it was beneficial to the country! Hindi mo ito sinasagot. Pero, kung hindi ka sinungaling at talagang maaga pa’y kinansela na ng amo mo ang kontrata, ano ang kanyang dahilan? Mere suspicion of an anomaly? Huwag mo naman sanang palabasing tanga o hindi matino ang iyong amo para lang lumabo ang issue. Baka bawiin ang bonus mo.
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Hindo ko na papatulan yung ibang sinabi mo rito kasi personal na yan as I debate on issues. I don’t want to go down that level. Neal Cruz is an opinion writer. He was only expressing his opinion in that article. It is up for us to believe him or not. But newspaper reports show that Gloria cancelled the contract even before your idol went to the Senate to show his lacrhymal prowess na pang-Famas. Nobody urged her to cancel the contract, it was her better judgment to cancel it as it is her prerogative as chief executive to do so.
Atong, huwag ka namang ganyan.
@ ATONG-ng-inamo
Parang relevant yung title ng post ” You are what you said” at saka nakakainggit ka, sa dinami-dami ng tao sa mundo ikaw lang ang nakakaalam na may condo na si JDV III at JUN sa impiyerno, nandiyan ka ngayon ano? OYYYYY aminin!!!! Ikaw ba yung napag-utusan ni gloria na magbantay ng mansyon niya diyan sa impiyerno? Buti naman at may internet diyan, project ba yan ng ZTE????
PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO: Hindo ko na papatulan yung ibang sinabi mo rito kasi personal na yan as I debate on issues. I don’t want to go down that level. Neal Cruz is an opinion writer. He was only expressing his opinion in that article. It is up for us to believe him or not. But newspaper reports show that Gloria cancelled the contract even before your idol went to the Senate to show his lacrhymal prowess na pang-Famas. Nobody urged her to cancel the contract, it was her better judgment to cancel it as it is her prerogative as chief executive to do so.
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I will not apologize for getting personal. I will not apologize for getting all riled up by persons who twists obvious facts for their master. Just like YUKO, I’m fed up with people who still have the guts to stand up for evil. You’re already cornered and still you try to lie your way out, just like your boss. Gloria was interviewed by DZRH after Jlo had testified at the Senate. Even then, she did not yet cancel the contract. Only when she had no other recourse did she let go of the contract which would have made her immensely richer, and the Filipinos miserably poorer. You say that Gloria canceled the contract simply because it is within her prerogative to do so. Do you personally believe that canard. Pinuri kita dahil kung saan-saan mo nadala si Jonas, pero hindi ibig sabihin na sang-ayon ako sa ginawa mo. Hindi ko rin naman sinasabing uto-uto si Jonas, matiyaga lang talaga ‘yong tao, at sang-ayon din naman ako sa mga pinagsasabi niya.
Feb. 7, 2008: Lozada, in a 2 a.m. press conference at La Salle Greenhills, links Abalos and First Gentleman Mike Arroyo to the US$329.5-million national broadband deal with ZTE Corp.
http://newsbreak.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4155&Itemid=88889366&ed=34
Feb. 11, 2008: Lozada started his testimony at the Senate hearings about his kidnapping and the ZTE deal.
http://newsbreak.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4155&Itemid=88889366&ed=34
Feb. 23, 2008: GMA expose on DZRH.
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/81878/Arroyo-I-learned-about-ZTE-mess-on-eve-of-signing-deal
Hmmmmmm… look guys, I can google too.
Looks like Jun testified first BEFORE the EB (evil bitch).
Seems like there’s a need for more spin on this one.
What say you Pangga???
Pare uumpisahan ko ang comment ko ng may paumanhin at sana naman ay huwag mong harangin.
Pareng Jun pasensya ka na di ko na kayang tumahimik lang e, pare alam ko ang mga bagay na nasa likod ng pagkatao mo. Pare sana naman wag mo ng idamay ang mga mamamayan kasi pinaglalaruan mo lang sila.
Pare yung mga pinag gagawa mo, halimbawa ang paglabas mo para tumistigo sa Scam na ito, alam mo naman ang katotohanan na puro kasinungalingan lang ang ginawa mo, pare di ba sabi mo nga, pera lang ang katapat.
Pare naman yung mga pinaggagawa mo sa Philippine Forest bilang CEO e kahit papaano naipagtanggol kita ron sa mga bumabatikos sa iyo, kahit alam ko na totoo halos lahat ng bintang sa iyo ron (di naman lahat pare), pero ginawa mo rin itong gatasan pare. Kaya lang itong mga ginagawa mo na ito ay masyado ng nakaka apekto sa buhay ng bawat isa, buti sana kung alam ng mga tao na tulad ko na malapit sa iyo ang tunay mong pag katao. Pare payong kumpare lang, wag mo na idamay ang sambayanan sa sinasabi mong ipinaglalaban, humarap ka sa Korte at doon mo patunayan ang lahat, maglabas ka ng mga ebidensya.
Sa mga makakabasa ng mga pahayag ko na ito, sana naman ay huwag tayong padadala sa mga taong di natin lubos na kilala.
Si pareng Jun ay matagal ko ng kumpare, pero di ko na kaya ang mga pinaggagawa niya, Pare sana naman makinig ka sa akin. Di ako galit sa iyo pare.
Pare salamat, sana huwag mo itong alisin ha.
andres : really???? bakit alam mo? If you are that confident sa sinasabi mong yan, what say you, we make a bet. Naka time deposit till 2010 announcement ng candidates. I’m not kidding. And for all other people here who says that Jun will run for any public office. Pustahan na tayo, para mag interest na pot…Sige, kung ganyan kayo ka confident sa sinasabi niyo…let the games begin…any takers?
TAX JOVEN : YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. YOU DON’T OWE ME AN APOLOGY. I RESPECT YOUR OPINION AND I HOPE YOU RESPECT MINE TOO. THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS WE ARE ALL FILIPINOS AND PERHAPS WE HAVE COMMON DREAMS OF HAVING A BETTER COUNTRY FOR OUR CHILDREN. WE DON’T NEED TO TAKE THIS BLOGGING PERSONALLY. JUN LOZADA WILL NOT FEED OUR FAMILY, NOR GLORIA, NOR ANYONE. SO, PLEASE DON’T TAKE IT PERSONALLY. I THINK ALL OF US CAN CO-EXIST ALTHOUGH WE HAVE DIFFERING BELIEFS AND OPINIONS.
NICK : PLEASE LET’S BE CIVIL WITH EACH OTHER. HOLD YOUR TONGUE. THANKS.
Bernadette , ako naman ang take ko diyan ganito. karapatan niyang kumandidato kung gusgustohin niya. Ngunit, dapat niya munang harapin sa husgado yung kasong ihinihain sa kanya. Sasabihin lang naman niya e gusto kasi akong kumandidato ng bayan, wala akong mgagagawa kundi sumunod. Anong problema lang naman niya e kung mananalo siya.
PANGGALATOK NUMERO UNO: TAX JOVEN : YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. YOU DON’T OWE ME AN APOLOGY. I RESPECT YOUR OPINION AND I HOPE YOU RESPECT MINE TOO. THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS WE ARE ALL FILIPINOS AND PERHAPS WE HAVE COMMON DREAMS OF HAVING A BETTER COUNTRY FOR OUR CHILDREN. WE DON’T NEED TO TAKE THIS BLOGGING PERSONALLY. JUN LOZADA WILL NOT FEED OUR FAMILY, NOR GLORIA, NOR ANYONE. SO, PLEASE DON’T TAKE IT PERSONALLY. I THINK ALL OF US CAN CO-EXIST ALTHOUGH WE HAVE DIFFERING BELIEFS AND OPINIONS.
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How touching! But… Beliefs and opinions are beliefs and opinions. Facts are facts. Can you show us any newspaper report showing that Gloria canceled the contract even before Jlo testified? Kung nagkamali ka, ok lang ‘yan. Sino ba sa atin ang hindi nagkakamali?
It may be alright for you to say, “Walang personalan. Trabaho lang.” It’s not so with me. Hindi ito trabaho para sa akin. It’s a personal crusade. This is why I take this personally. Are you saying you wrote all your pieces without getting emotionally involved? Apathy is obviously not one of your faults.
demonyo ang mga tao dito gaya ko.
bwehehehehe
si jun lozada master namin sa impyerno……bwehehehehe
si mike arroyo treasurer namin…bwehehehehe
i love you nick!
TAX JOVEN : It’s a personal crusade. This is why I take this personally. Are you saying you wrote all your pieces without getting emotionally involved? Apathy is obviously not one of your faults.
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You truly deserve admiration for having a personal crusade of your own. Keep it up!
My personal advocacy is not that important. I only express my opinion on matters that I am interested in. I have no illusion whatsover on anything.
PareniJUN, bilang “kumpare ni Jun” wala akong nakita na nagpapatunay na may alam ka sa buhay ni Mr. Lozada. Wala kang sinabi na hindi pa nasasabi ng iba dito. Pati ‘yung tungkol sa ebidensiya at korte e gasgas na gasgas na dito ‘yan. Sayang, “kumpare” ka pa namn ni Lozada, akala ko may mga “exclusive” kang sasabihin about him. Kung pagbabasihan ang mga sinasabi sa blog na ‘to, aba, parang mas close pa kay Lozada ‘yung iba dito kesa sa tunay na “kumpare” n’ya. Next time, exert an effort to make your statements credible and believable. And you can start by putting some common sense to it.
I have no money to bet, but am sure those people here will be the ones endorsing Jlo to run. So his reply will ” Wala akong magagawa, di ko mabigo itong mga taong nais akong tumakbo para sa bayan!!! Ano ba yang mga caravan caravan na yan di ba for name recall sa pag takbo ni Jlo. !!!!! Yan mga makabayan kataga ay lip service lang yan para maka attract ng attensiyo pero sawa na tao sa mga self proclaim makabayani dahil hanggang ngayon we are still what we are. ang tunay na makabayan ay di lang administration ang binabanatan kundi lahat ng uri ng kagahaman. Si Jlo ngayon lang naging makabayan pero when he was there with the power, what have he done. Madaling magsalita pero ang tuany na gawa ay mahirap gawin.
Gloria and his minions are corrupt and you think only them are corrupt. Even a lowly barangay captain is corrupt. We cannot stop corruption by merely replacing GMA, the solution is that we elect a true leader who has the political will to minimize corruption.
But that cannot happen because our electorate is uneducated. But hten how can we educate our electorate, that is the real problem. Until now all I see is that the 2010 election is about popularity and not about issues and track records. what is the track record of Jun Losada, please tell me.
Gloria and his minions are corrupt and you think only them are corrupt. Even a lowly barangay captain is corrupt. We cannot stop corruption by merely replacing GMA, the solution is that we elect a true leader who has the political will to minimize corruption.
But that cannot happen because our electorate is uneducated. But hten how can we educate our electorate, that is the real problem. Until now all I see is that the 2010 election is about popularity and not about issues and track records. what is the track record of Jun Losada, please tell me. - andres17
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I disagree that corruption cannot be minimize because our “electorate are uneducated.” Uneducated to what? They don’t do corruption. They don’t steal and enter into a corrupt-ridden contract. They don’t even connive with an election official to cheat in the election. So what “uneducated” are you talking about? People trust the people they elect. Is that an “uneducated” thing or act? Is that a fault? I don’t think so.
On Lozada running on the election. Sana binanggit mo kung sino-sino ang susuporta kay Lozada if ever na tumakbo siya. I’m sure, even if I don’t believe he’ll join politics, hindi ko siya susuportahan. The moment he talk about his plan to run in an election I’ll stop listening to him.
JONAS: I’m sure, even if I don’t believe he’ll join politics, hindi ko siya susuportahan. The moment he talk about his plan to run in an election I’ll stop listening to him.
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In fairness to the brothers of La Salle and the nuns, they will withdraw their support to Jun’s so-called crusade, the moment he joins the political fray. But I am just wondering why they kept on parading Jun in campuses and the provinces, with all the television exposures that he had during the Senate investigation and media news, aren’t the people informed already of what he’s supposed to tell the people. Who is financing his provincial sorties? Is there a need for it? Is he up to something? I won’t be surprised if he throws his hat in the political ring. I said there is nothing wrong about that as long as he can come out clean from the cases that are filed or will be filed against him. No one is above the law even if that perceived is perceived as popular. Is he? We’ll see. I think he has lost his luster in many pronouncements he made recently, like his renouncing his Catholic faith when the priests in Cebu refused to say Mass for him. This smacks of arrogance from somebody who is not in power yet.
# jonas — June 21, 2008 #
PareniJUN, bilang “kumpare ni Jun” wala akong nakita na nagpapatunay na may alam ka sa buhay ni Mr. Lozada. Wala kang sinabi na hindi pa nasasabi ng iba dito. Pati ‘yung tungkol sa ebidensiya at korte e gasgas na gasgas na dito ‘yan. Sayang, “kumpare” ka pa namn ni Lozada, akala ko may mga “exclusive” kang sasabihin about him. Kung pagbabasihan ang mga sinasabi sa blog na ‘to, aba, parang mas close pa kay Lozada ‘yung iba dito kesa sa tunay na “kumpare” n’ya. Next time, exert an effort to make your statements credible and believable. And you can start by putting some common sense to it.
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NAKAKASUKA NAMAN ITONG POST NA ITO. DIOS KO NAMAN, ANO BANG PINAKAIN SA IYO NI LOZADA NA PARA KANG LUMALABAS NA BOY FRIEND MO SIYA. KONTING KIBOT LANG, DEPENSA KA KAAGAD. LUMAYO LAYO KA NAMAN SA PWET NI JUN. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
mas matalino pa mga tao dito compare sa senado and tongresso…magaling ang insight and discussion….except sa mga fans club ni jun na kung di sila agree sa iyo pro gloria ka agad…..bahala na si satanas sa inyo. bwehehehe
Regardin sa lasalle…not all la sallian and alumni are supporting bro. demonyo. gagong brother yan dala ang la sallian family sa kanyang kalokohan….sige mag paloko ka sa demonyon jun lo.
again jun lozada is just a piece of shit….his face is much worse…fucking liar!!!
PALACE APPEALS FOR CALM AMID ENDLESS PRICE INCREASES. Wow naman. Naks. Pero dyan muna kayo at pupunta muna ako nang America kasama nang 58 congressman ha. At teka, diba fight ni Pacquiao sa Sabado, andito lang naman kami e daraan na lang kami nang vegas para merong moral support si Manny.
In the meantime, DPWH admits only 18 school toilets built due to lack of funds. ?????
Wow, ilang toilets kaya magagawa nang DPWH if those 58 congressmen cancel their trip to the US??
Also, DPWH spent P20 million in an old house in panacan davao city so the so called president can stay there while in Davao for 1 fudging nite.
Hay naku, Only in the philippines.
Wake up kababayans…..
BERNIE : Diyan ka na lang sa Tate, magkalat ng tae mo at huwag mo na kaming pakialaman dito. Ayos lang ang buhay namin dito kahit mahirap.
lintek na gobyerno ito mga kawatan!!!
gago talaga jun gawa ka ng blog tapos reklamo…
Typhoon Frank’s passing by. Cyclone Gloria’s not passing away. Poor Philippines. Jlo lit a candle to help find a way out. Others followed suit. One would think that the rest would appreciate the torch parade. Alas, this would not be the case. Some would rather torch the light bringers! Oh yes, there’s so many blogs whose main purpose for being is to destroy the Jlo. And some of its bloggers are doing their thing right her. Some of them are easy to detect, some are not. But they are assigned only one task: to try to make Jun’s shit appear as big and as fetid as Gloria’s mountain of filth. It matters not to them that the profligate is now on a junket at the US with her lapdogs, and that her expenses for the trip will dwarf whatever money Jlo may have stolen, if indeed he had. It matters not to them that, as Bernie B’s post say, “the DPWH spent P20 million in an old house in panacan davao city so the so called president can stay there while in Davao for 1 fudging nite”.
Meanwhile, one of them says that he will only express his opinion on matters that he is interested in, even if his only interest is the destruction of the whistle blower who foiled the attempt of Gloria and the greedy group to make themselves immensely richer, and saved the country some 390 million dollars. It’s obviously not an obsession with him. It looks more like an occupation.
parenijun: Alam ba ni Jun na kumpare ka niya? O baka pag nalaman niya, solian na kayo ng kandila?? Kumpare is yung may hinawakan ang isa sa inyo sa binyag ng anak…As in Ninong ng anak…are you sure na mag kumpare kayo? Besides as jonas said, gasgas na yang pinagsasasabi mo. As you can see also, we have moved to other discussions than those that are being fed to you from the computer. By the way, since Lore-lie has taken over the Pangalatok persona, the original one is now Atong…Yung puro lang bad words at nonsense…
Andres : Exactly! He has no track record in politics, and he said he wasn’t running right? Kayo lang naman ang nag i- insist that he’s running, and are now asking for track records??? What’s the need for that if the person has no intention to run? Gumagawa lang kayo ng sariling multo. Meaning we are wasting precious space talking about what will not be. Regarding our electorate, wala na tayo magagawa diyan, it’s so frustrating but the people below the poverty line, those awestruck by moviestars and 500 peso bills will be the ” will of the people” every election. Something that our well track recorded politicians have fostered. Gawin at panatiliing mangmang at mahirap ang mga Pilipino para magamit sa election. Para pera lang ang katapat. Yan ang klase ng mga maraming track records na politico natin…As if track records are something that matters in Pinoy politics. Kung tumakbo si Aga Mulach or si Sarah Geronimo for president sa 2010. sila ang mananalo, regardless sa track record na yan…
nonsense? do we have something good to say about the asshole jun lozada and this fucking government?…..ano sabi mong bad words? lintek ka wala ako sinasabing bad words ha….
WORKING VISIT TO THE US means the government is paying for the bill. Check this out, the US didn’t invite the entourage, the Phil Govt invited themselves. Some names in the entourage includes Lito Atienza (what the heck is he going for?) Sec Yap ( Who cares if there’s a rice crisis) and 8 other cabinet officials (kasama DAW mga anak at yaya).
We are suffering the worst crisis in our history and YET this extravagant junket to the US is a priority for the palace? With 59..jeezz…59 congressmen. So much larger than the group that went to europe. Not including the wives and children of course. For christ sake… only 18 school toilets built because of lack of funds. Whats next? have the school children bring their own arinola to school?
Their sense of priorities is bent don’t you think?
Also, I would LOVE to find out how many of these tongressmen appears in vegas to watch the fight. Remember the Phil Govt is footing the bill. So sky’s the limit…again.
PareniJUN :
Mukhang talagang close kayo ni JUN. Kilala ko rin si jun at Kilala ko rin sina Arroyo at grupo nito. Bigyan mo ako ng hint na ganoon kayo kadikit ni Jun, something na si Jun lang at ilan sa malalapit sa kanya ang nakaka-alam.
As Jonas have metnioned, I would also stop believing JUN when I sense that he would be joining the political circus. In my conversations and what I have gathered with people in and around the political scene, JUN is not interested in joining politics. Relax lang kayong mga Politicos, hindi ninyo makakasabay si JUN sa arena na iyan.
Gosh! what an entourage! Delicadeza would dictate that they should have foregone this trip. I visited the US State Department website, as Yuko, has kindly adviced, and saw none of the supposedly “STATE VISIT”. It appears that the main objective of the US trip is Junket, and as a footnote, Gloria would pitch for Sen. Miriam “The Tililing” Santiago’s quest for an ICJ Seat. She needs Tililing to be elected, since, Gloria herself would be facing the ICJ in the not so distant future. She has a pending case that has been elevated to the ICJ, after a Prima Facie has been established in the lower tribunal. I wouldn’t be surprised, in case Tililing is elected, to hear her fantastic remarks, such as ” I Will Feed Them To The Sharks… As Immigration Chief”. Or “the Chinese INVENTED Corruption… during ZTE-NBN Senate Hearing…” Among other quotable quotes from her excellency.
With this LEISURE trip, goes the KATAS NG VAT funds. I would also like to think, that Cusi and Atutubo would move Heaven and Earth, LITERALLY, to make available NAIA 3 as airport of choice for Gloria and entourage upon return.
Back to the Thread. I saw the finale of PEPE GOES TO MARKET (Yep sa Market Market), in honor of Dr. Jose Rizal’s birthday. It was a fitting tribute, participated in by artists, especially from the Philippine Philharmonic Orchestra. Theatre artists, Tommy Abuel, Joel Torre among others. Not to be missed were the singing groups from NBI, SENATE, NPC, BULACAN and others. Theme was FOR TRUTH. Nanding was a major part of the organizing committee, if NOT the prime mover of this event. Nanding used to be with CCP board, he resigned after having differences in opinion with other board members, when JLO came out and shared with the people the magnitude of corruption that is perpetuated by Gloria nd her minions. I guess, Nanding’s jaw dropped when he learned of the extent and monetary figure of the kickbacks. Like, the final straw that broke the camel’s back.
ZTE - I had the chance to speak to someone in the know within the ZTE group, and been informed, that indeed the ZTE-NBN project is shelved for now. I am not holding ZTE on this,, as the person invoked anonymity when he shared the info. I am taking it with a grain of salt, but would always think the contract is NOT totally cancelled, unless I see a copy of the cancellation order and acknowledged by all parties concerned.
Funds, Funds, Funds, ALBEIT PUBLIC FUNDS, is again being usurped by Gloria, with this US Trip. And in one meeting following the disaster of MV Princess Star, she scolded the people behind giving the final GO AHEAD SAIL to the ship’s captain. She was reminded that the ship violated NO
Sorry, posted too soon
Anyways, TYPHOON SIGNAL 3 allows the ship sail due to her TONNAGE. Unfortunately she developed ENGINE TROUBLE and encoutered big waves.
Gloria, in her eagerness to get some media mileage out of this tragic event, had to be reminded of the legality of the sailing. The company could have cancelled the sailing, most probably a business decision. My condolences to those who lost their love ones.
THE GOSPEL OF TRUTH (Fear GOD and GOD ALONE)
26Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hidden, that shall not be known.
27What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
29Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
30But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
~GOD BLESS THE FILIPINO PEOPLE~
After staying on the sidelines to just observe how this Lozada blog will fair out in cyberspace, I can now personally say that this will be another failure similar to the truth crusade lozada tries to keep flamed.
1. Only a select few continue to react on all the 4 floated postings. Same people, about 4-5 person(s) perhaps, remained attached to all 4 postings. Note that while comments are in the hundreds, ACTUAL people who participate evolve just around the 4-5 person(s).
2. The youth, supposed targets of this blog due their internet savviness, continue to remain silent. Assuming exposure to this blog, their non participation mean that either they don’t care or have a different mind of their own. Knowing the youth’s different behavior now, I believe more the later. They simply refuse to see things the way most does. Surely they are a different “you” with different way to “see”. Internet is their playground where they can fully & freely express themselves unlike in traditional schools.
3. Quality comments are very minimal, if not nil. Most are off- subject and are mere filibustering.
4. The blog does not have a clear shape of what it aims to achieve. Though clearly, the blog continue to press hot political buttons on anything under the sun that muddle up the issue on hand.
5. Poor blog author’s credibility, layout and overall interactivity.
To summarize, this blog is not worth the youth’s time. Not in their house.
Typhoon “Frank” leaves 229 dead: 700 missing.
The National Disaster Coordinating Council was convened by Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita only yesterday: two days after the typhoon had already plowed through Mindanao (killing 12, with 20 missing), and a day after it devastated Panay. Normally, the NDCC is chaired by Gilbert Teodoro, who knows disaster management will help further his political career (one reason he refused to hand over the job to Esperon), but he won’t be able to get any credit for the handling of the present emergency, as he’s in Washington.
If you have complaints about local governments, if you need emergency cash infusions for disaster relief, or if you’re wondering or planning how to handle the effects on food security of agricultural lands being destroyed, you simply have to wait. Ronaldo Puno, Rolando Andaya and Arthur Yap are in America with the President.
You would think that those people mentioned would have the delicadeza and return home to help out. Heck NO, they’re prolly saying “Bahala na kayo sa buhay nyo”.
This is the kind of leadership we have in the Philippines. Kakapal nang mukha no?
Ayan lumabas na ang isang Kumpare ni Jun. Tol buti na lang sinabi mo na yan sa blog na ito. Kayo naman na bumatikos agad kay PareniJUN, ayaw pa rin nya siguro masira ang pagkakaibigan nila,sa tingin ko ng mabasa ko ang comment nya, gusto lang nya paalalahanan ang Kumpare nya, alam nya na ginagamit lang ang kumpare nya na sa bandang huli ay iiwan rin ng mga taong gumamit.
Okay, PareniJUN, no need for such. Just hope that you could back up with more specs what you have indicated, and none of those that Jun has already admitted. Like rehash. I am inclined to believe that Jun would be answering all the charges filed against him in court. Not that he believes in the judicial system, as mentioned, ours is a legal system NOT Judicial.
Well noted Cabal, hence, my post above. Thanks.
Bernie B: You’re right, while the rest of the country is suffering from typhoon Frank, some people who are wallowing in “people’s money” don’t really care. How can there be 59 congressistas in 1 junket alone? Even the British Prime Minister doesn’t travel with such an entourage! While there’s this little being from planet banana has so many alalays.Just the expenses of 1 congressman there could pay for the burial of so many of the victims, but do you think they care??? NOPE! Lastly, of course teh taxpayers are paying for front seat tickets with luxury hotel lodgings for our dear politicos with the track records that Andres here is looking for…
And now, where would this recycled issue go through? The eventualities will be similar to what happened when Rodolfo “Jun” Lozada created a political turmoil where opportunists, power grabbers and anti-administration forces dipped into the controversy for media mileage and grandstanding. Lots of government time and resources will once again be wasted with no productive output. Suplico and his secret witness are expected to bring out fabricated accusations to discredit the present administration. They even have the strategy of posting intriguing pictures in the tri-media, including the internet, to incite the public. Meanwhile, spotlight-hungry Senators will be at it once again to get a piece of the cake. They are better off investigating Meralco’s questionable power rate since resolving the irregularities and anti-consumer practices of the Lopez Group of Companies will help a lot in uplifting the lives of the Filipinos.
SA PANAHON NGAYON ANG KAILANGAN NATIN AY PAGKAKAISA TAMA NA ANG PALITAN NG KURO-KURO, IKAW MAY NAGAWA KABANG MAGANDA SA BAYAN O MAY NAITULONG KABA SA MAHIHIRAP NATING KABABAYAN. SANA MAG UMPISA TAYO SA SARILI NATING LAYUNIN PARA SA BAYAN… MAG-ISIP KAIBIGAN… IKAW, AKO, KAYO AY IISA LANG ANG LAYUNIN PARA SA MAGANDANG BUHAY NG ATING PAMILYA… TAMA NA ANG IRINGAN… MAGTULUNGAN NALANG TAYO MGA KAIBIGAN..
JACK ASROCK, don’t you think ENOUGH government resources has already been MISPENT by this administration with NO productive output? where have you been? You think were here blogging out hearts out because we liked whats happening to the philippines? Next thing you’ll say is that all the negative news reporting about malacanang are a conspiracy by the anti-administration.
You say investigate Meralco? holy moly!!! where did that come from? All the anomalies in the philippines and all you can think of is investigate the Lopez group? we’ll that shows where your bread is buttered.
How about investigate NAPOCOR, EPIRA and DOE? While were at it, don’t you want to include the North and South Rail too? How about the killings? the disappearances? I guess you don’t care about the “Hello Garci” or the ZTE nor the Bolante case to name a few. But NOOO…let’s investigate Meralco!!!!
How the heck will investigating Meralco uplift the lives of the filipino people????
And where is the precious president while there’s death and calamity in the philippines?
She and her entourage are enjoying themselves with the peoples money.
Remember DPWH ONLY made 18 school toilets because of lack of funds. Do you know that there’s only 1 toilet bowl for every 270 public school student? But I guess you don’t care about that. Our public schools needs classroom, We need teachers, We need a lot of things to UPLIFT the lives of the filipino people and I dare say that investigating Meralco is the least of the problem.
PS
Discredit the administration? No need for the opposition to discredit malacanang. The evil bitch is doing it fine by herself.
Jack ASROCK :
What is their reason for investigating MERALCO? To lower elctricity cost? This could be simply be done with Temporarily Shelving the VAT on power and Fuel. Also, cancelling VAT on system loss, clearly there is no VALUE ADDED TAX (Since it has been lost already.) Just a simple idea. Guess what, the government would rather make misers out of the lifeline users. making them line up for the Php500.00 dole out, which could be interpreted as electioneering. Why not make the cost of power and gas lower, and available to all the people instead of selective few, who can easily be swayed with the meager dole out.
MERALCO : If you would analyze the Meralco hostile takeover, I would rather think in the line of NERI wanting to be at the helm of MERALCO. The main reason of Garcia battling Meralco is that the firm is being mismanaged. How can the firm be mismanaged if it has been reaping profits? The stockholders are happy with present management team, why change it? It has NEVER been the priority to lower the artes as the reason behind the hulabaloo. It has always been to gain control. Garcia even mentioned, breaking up the company into Four, and sold to private individuals, like arroyo and family and cronies.
Take away the VAT on power and gas, and these would help the people just a little bit. They may not be inclined to take away the VAT, because rising Fuel and Power cost adds to the income of the government which helps them to pay off loans that they have incurred. Like, offsetting little by little the loans they have taken out, in which they have enriched themselves with in the First place.
MERALCO investigation will NOT ALLEVIATE hunegr or UPLIFT the livelihood of the Filipino people. it is simply a SQUID TACTIC to smokescreen the present problems brought about by this ZTE-NBN Scandal and others.
ZTE-NBN Scandal fisrt blow out = Bombing of Glorietta Mall. Killing innocent civilians. Taking away forever, love ones from some families.
Hello Garci = Mutilation of soldiers in Mindanao. Poor souls. we have to dig deeper into this incident. I have an inkling that the rebels were not responsible for this.
It’s all in the timing, as the late Payne Stewart have said so often. What a timing by Gloria and her smoke belching machines!
Bernie,
The Unlearning Process
The Interfaith Rally last February 29, 2008 undeniably took a crowd that everybody think was close to a critical mass that may have eventually led to another People Power. Religious groups demanded for the truth, left-leaning militants insisted GMA to step down, opposition personalities wanted to take over the leadership, while students and the youth sector are just merely present to witness any turn of events. Even the Makati workers joined the crowd just to get a glimpse on what is happening before going home. The media did take great footages of the crowd and the event, implying that a People Power is in the brink of eruption. However, they failed to tell the public that each group in said protest action has their own agenda. Evidently, the crowd did not have a solid stand on the political turmoil, making the Rodolfo Lozada expose a weak cause to bring down the present administration. Disunity among the protesters is somewhat too obvious.
Perhaps the organizers did successfully muster a massive crowd, but they miserably failed to bring down facts in front of their followers that should justify their drive to oust the President. It is quite obvious that they are just pitifully trying to re-enact those successful People Powers that took place years ago and they really did not learn from those past lessons. They did not think that Ferdinand Marcos was ousted because his regime committed several atrocities against the people, especially during the declaration of Martial Law. It was a glaring example of human rights violations that was documented in many ways. They did not also think that former president Joseph Estrada was ousted because of corruption and plunder that was proven in court with hard evidences. However this time, evidences against GMA lies only with Jun Lozada’s testimony that the majority of the public are not even buying. There are still no conspicuous evidences that will link the Arroyo’s from the allegations that these anti-administration groups are shouting about. They made an uneducated accusation of linking the President to the NBN scam. They did not even think that Rodolfo Lozada, whose government records were tarnished with corruption will be not be any worth of being a witness in the senate hearing. These destabilizers are learning backwards.
The Interfaith rally was designed to escalate to a critical mass and was supposed to end up as another People Power. But then, the prime movers committed a blunder when they allowed former Presidents Cory Aquino and Joseph Estrada deliver a speech on stage. They even include Major Jejomar Binay whom everybody hated. They overlooked the fact that the general public is not keen anymore in seeing politicians speak non-sense in front of them. Even Boy “Pastor” Sayco of COPA walked-out of the event when Erap had the floor for his “pogi” speech. The organizers did not even think that Rodolfo Lozada, whose credibility crumbled after his cross-examination at the senate, is not that fit to incite the public in his seemingly personal motive to be recognized and famous for the mess he made. The public already know his double dealing deeds with the government and the opposition and it was enough not to believe in him anymore. These destabilizers did not even consider that the AFP and PNP is far from withdrawing their support from the present administration. They were not smart enough to analyze that without the AFP/PNP, any attempt to mount a People Power is futile. Besides, 2010 is fast approaching and the general public prefers to wait for the next presidential election than to join a rally intended to bring the whole country to square one. Anyway, they cannot bring down an administration that worked hard to improve the country’s economy. Anti-administration personalities and backers are not thinking anymore and they keep on employing pathetic tactics just to take over the government. If these unthinking people are the ones who will lead another People Power and will eventually lead the country, then it will be a disaster in the making. Nobody would want to put unthinking personalities to the country’s top positions. Perhaps these destabilizers should know that…
While Rodolfo “Jun” Lozada is happily visiting colleges and universities to promote his “hero” image, perhaps, he and the opposition should spare those learning institutions where innocent kids are slowly adhering to the anti-government concept that are slowly being instilled to these young minds. They are not even thinking that such school campaigns in going against the administration will eventually produced rebels… even after the current political chaos has been already been resolved. Psychologically speaking, at such age, it will be permanent and irreversible in their mind if the concept of being anti-government is inculcated to them. Obviously, Jun Lozada did not learn how to be patriotic and law-abiding citizen during his elementary days, reflecting on how corrupt he was in his job and how he cheated on his wife. He should refrain from brandishing his greed-tainted life as if it is normal for a “hero” like him. Continuing the practice of school visits to campaign the opposition’s cause, while inciting the students to go against the administration, is insane to the point of using the children. It seems that Lozada and the opposition haven’t learned that the country’s future lies in the hands of the youth. These detabilizers barely knows the offshoot of their deeds. Their actions have become reckless and irresponsible. They are obviously not thinking about the future anymore, but rather, for their greed of power only. If they want to topple the present administration, they should do it themselves and spare the kids from their selfish endeavor.
The Naked Emperor
Palace couturiers designed a special dress for the Emperor on the occasion of a huge parade. To begin with they prepared elegant posters which say that:
- I did not cheat during the 2004 elections, nor did Garci and the generals.
- I am not a plunderer nor am I a protector of any;
- I am not a smuggler, nor is anyone’s protector;
- I am not a murderer, nor do I cause anyone’s death or disappearance;
- I do not go on extravagant junkets with my lap dogs and their families because it hurts me so much that so many children risk their health daily for want of a toilet;
- I am a good economist. The economic fundamentals I set are sound and that is what makes the economy grow and grow;
- It’s not true that my administration’s profligacy is propped up by nothing but FCW remittances, loans, privatization, and EVAT.
- It’s not true either, that long queues for rice and checks are caused by necessity and desperation; it’s just that the poor are too lazy to do anything else.
- The poor are actually jumping up and down with joy at my generosity. They’re dying to vote for my bets come 2010.
- After 2010, I will not be made to pay for my misdeeds because I never did anything wrong.
They reasoned out that lies repeated over and over again become the truth. They sewed the posters together into a kind of mosaic cloth that brings to fore the messages in the posters. While at work on the materials, they talked to the Palace courtiers and convinced them to take turns whispering into the Emperor’s ears that:
- You did not cheat during the 2004 elections, nor did Garci and the generals.
- You are not a plunderer nor are you a protector of any;
- You are not a murderer, nor do you cause anyone’s death or disappearance;
- You are not a smuggler, nor are anyone’s protector;
- You do not go on extravagant junkets with your lap dogs and their families because it hurts you so much to see children risk their health daily for lack of a toilet;
- You are a good economist. The economic fundamentals you set are sound and that is what makes the economy grow and grow;
- It’s not true that you administrations profligacy is propped up by nothing but FCW remittances, loans, privatization, EVAT and the generals;
- It’s not true either, that long queues for rice and checks are caused by necessity and desperation; it’s just that the poor are too lazy to do anything else;
- The poor are actually jumping up and down with joy at your generosity. They’re dying to vote for your bets come 2010;
- After 2010, you will not be made to answer for your misdeeds because you never did anything wrong.
Thusly, the team conditioned the mind of the Emperor. They reasoned out that lies repeated over and over again become the truth. When D-day came, the planners themselves were just a bit surprised by the Emperor reaction to the dress. He showed so much pleasure at seeing the dress and could hardly wait to put it on. They succeeded so well in conditioning their master that he failed to see through the dress.
At the parade itself, the Emperor came out proudly, with head high and chest out. He wasn’t a bit surprised to hear the people loudly hailing him up. He did not notice the heavily armed men that mingled with the crowd, put up there by courtiers as a kind of back up or insurance in case the spectators see something differently. The parade went well enough until a boy, not knowing any better, suddenly came up front and exclaimed, “Look, papa, the Emperor is naked.” Aghast, the Emperor looked to his courtiers for explanation. “What’s the boy saying?” He asked. “What boy?” The head courtier asked. The boy was nowhere to be found, nor was he ever heard from. The parade went on unimpeded. As the parade pass by though, beyond the hearing of the Emperor’s men, a truth spreads in whispers, “Howsoever you cloth yourself in lies, you shall remain naked.”
Ken Kashi: ZTE-NBN Scandal fisrt blow out = Bombing of Glorietta Mall. Killing innocent civilians. Taking away forever, love ones from some families.
*****
Yes, what’s happened to that bombing? What are the lazy policemen over there doing? Still cannot make up their minds who to arrest for such abominable crime? Still looking for who to frame up and make to admit a crime he/they did not commit?
BTW, I’ve heard that Mr. Lozada’s wife has been served a warrant of arrest. Wow! For what? For accusing those who picked up her husband as kidnappers? Now that’s surely proof enough that over in the Philippines under a criminal, justice has indeed been prostituted.
Kawawang bansa!!!
Bakit nagtataka pa ba kayo na hindi pa nagiging magnanakaw ang majority na pilipino? With a leader like Gloria Dorobo, who cannot resist not to be on